Still not convinced with 4.10 Seafire FM.

[JtD]

The Seafire outturns, outruns and outclimbs the F4F. It's also far more responsive to control input. It is more manoeuvrable.

[SEE]

Not in my 4.10 patch, otherwise I wouldn't have posted but I hope others will try them and make an impartial comparison. If everyone agrees with you then I bow out gracefully (or hide my F4F-4 and re-model it to look like a Seafire.....)

[JtD]

You know, you could try the following:

Go to the quick mission builder and set up a 16 vs 16 or even 32 vs 32 dogfight between Seafire and F4F. Make sure the pilot skills are the same for both sides. Hit fly, engage autopilot and watch the show.

I did a 16 vs 16 once, and all F4F got shot down in exchange for 5 Seafires. Not really a manoeuvring contest, more an overall comparison, but still a nice indicator.

And definitely hilarious to watch.

[SEE]

I will try that but I have based my post on Pacific Dgen campaigns against the Zeros (1942 circa), the F4's outperforms the Seafire in T&B against the Zero and almost impossible to stall, retains it's energy far better. I tried B&Z with the Seafire and that's about the only way I could maintain any form of repectable energy to deal with the Zero. .....is it me?

[JtD]

Just did another thing for fun. Put me in a Seafire vs. an AI ace A6M2. Got onto its tail, stayed there. It got boring, so I pulled inside, overtook it, and outturned it again.

Check the track and try it in an F4F.

I carried full fuel.

[SEE]

Cheers JtD, I have downloaded the Track and will look at it several times then set up similar with both ac to make a comparison. Out of interest where did you upload that Track so that I could download it from a link in a thread? The Seafire looks fine in that track, I need to find out why mine cannot hold that airspeed when chasing a Zero in a similar turn. I don't have any probs with the F4 and get 3 times the number of kills on full switch (in SP!).......maybe I need to transfer to the USN......

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by SEE

Cheers JtD, I have downloaded the Track and will look at it several times then set up similar with both ac to make a comparison. Out of interest where did you upload that Track so that I could download it from a link in a thread? The Seafire looks fine in that track, I need to find out why mine cannot hold that airspeed when chasing a Zero in a similar turn. I don't have any probs with the F4 and get 3 times the number of kills on full switch (in SP!).......maybe I need to transfer to the USN......

If given the choice I would pick the Seafire long before I would pick the Wildcat although the Wildcat is a fun aircraft now and again. The Wildcat's poor maneuverability is a bit of a misnomer... compared to European aircraft it's very good but compared to Japanese aircraft of similar date it's not.

What exactly is your method when dealing with the Zeros? Seafire versus Zero my preference would be to use the Seafire as an energy fighter instead of turning and burning which is what the Zero excels at. A notable historical case where this proved true was the RAAF's initial experience with the Zero versus Spitfire Vc at Darwin - the Spitfires suffered badly at least at first because they were trying to turn.