Hotas setup for the upcoming Cliffs of Dover

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Royraiden

With problems or without?I guess you meant without.Can you use them without the software?Saitek software seems to be quite infamous.

Yes I meant without problems, and yes you can use them without the software. The rudders are well made, but I wouldn't recommend an X52 joystick. Your best option is a MSFF2 which you can still pickup new on ebay, barring that the CH products are well built and will last forever.

There are some Microsoft SideWinder Precision 2 Joystick for USB Port on ebay ranging for 9 dollars and 39 dollars used and I think a couple of new ones ranging from 75 to 150 dollars.

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Yes I meant without problems, and yes you can use them without the software. The rudders are well made, but I wouldn't recommend an X52 joystick. Your best option is a MSFF2 which you can still pickup new on ebay, barring that the CH products are well built and will last forever.

There are some Microsoft SideWinder Precision 2 Joystick for USB Port on ebay ranging for 9 dollars and 39 dollars used and I think a couple of new ones ranging from 75 to 150 dollars.

Im convinced to buy the CH Combatstick,was about to buy it yesterday but Im gonna wait till friday when I get paid.

[ghodan]

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by ghodan

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

Optical sensors which almost don't wear at all over time - and the fact that people are still using them after ~10 years. If that isn't a testament to its quality I don't know what is. Not to mention that it is very precise (not on the Warthog and moded Cougar level but still very accurate).

G940 pots start to wear under a year, or so people say. Then there are other issues with it - bad cabling inside the throttle section (results in spiking), reversal bug (albeit removed but only for the stick, all other trim tabs & rudder pedals still have it), etc...

A real shame, Logitech could have had the best all around stick/HOTAS/system out there but they failed in doing so.

Originally Posted by T}{OR

A real shame, Logitech could have had the best all around stick/HOTAS/system out there but they failed in doing so.

Thrustmaster: "Our joystick is metal, precision made, costs a fortune, but we still use some of the cheapest parts possible just to save $3.00 a unit".

Logitech: "We give you the whole deal, plus Force-feedback! Only we don't do any manner of in-depth or long-term testing, plus we use cheap pots! Did we mention we only update our software every 4 years?"

Saitek: "We're the joystick equivalent of Russian Roulette! Come on and take a chance! Every 10th customer is a winner!"

CH: "Yes! We're still in business. Our rudder pedals might make you infertile and our product line looks like a cataloge from 1995, but we make quality stuff."

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

Thrustmaster: "Our joystick is metal, precision made, costs a fortune, but we still use some of the cheapest parts possible just to save $3.00 a unit".

Logitech: "We give you the whole deal, plus Force-feedback! Only we don't do any manner of in-depth or long-term testing, plus we use cheap pots! Did we mention we only update our software every 4 years?"

Saitek: "We're the joystick equivalent of Russian Roulette! Come on and take a chance! Every 10th customer is a winner!"

CH: "Yes! We're still in business. Our rudder pedals might make you infertile and our product line looks like a cataloge from 1995, but we make quality stuff."

Thats some funny stuff!I just ordered my Combatstick and I got to admit that the base looks from the 80's.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by ghodan

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

Better for... IL2.
Could be due to some driver issue as well - game and stick have roughly the same age.
Expect your G940 to work better in CoD.


I just bought a used FF2, should arrive tomorrow. I wonder how I'll like it.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by ghodan

Can somebody explain to me why the MSFF2 is beter then the Logitech G940?

I see them as the only 2 forcefeedback options.

The MSFF2 is smoother, more precise and accurate than any joystick on the market because of the smooth gimbal system, and adjustable center tension that provides smooth, constant pressure movement thru all points of travel.

EVERY other joystick has abrupt force changes as some points of travel. This may be realistic, but it makes smooth precise flying and shooting, just a tad more difficult than it is with the MSFF2. Except maybe some Cougar mods that I haven't tried.

The con against the MSFF2 is its software isn't supported in Windows7, so you have to use the ingame software to assign buttons.

The G940 came close, but their grinding gears, and flaky centering software left them a little lacking.

The best of the non forcefeedback sticks is the Warthog. This stick has the smoothest feel but abrupt force change thru center.

Originally Posted by Chivas

** Accurate summation of joysticks**.

What I find to be the biggest "WTF" is that it's 2011, we have multi core CPU/GPU systems, people have on average a TB or hard disk space, our mice use freaking lasers, we stream HD video over the internet, our displays are super thin and up to 27" wide, you can pick up a printer than scans and prints nearly as well as a photo studio for $100 or less, and not one company can make a joystick that is an all-around winner. Every joystick out there has some sort of issue that should not exist given the technology we have today.

Thrustmaster really has no excuse when they're charging as much for their Warthog as most college kids first car and Logitech should be ashamed since they sould have been able to see their G940 glaring errors with even a cursory glance.

[Royraiden]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

What I find to be the biggest "WTF" is that it's 2011, we have multi core CPU/GPU systems, people have on average a TB or hard disk space, our mice use freaking lasers, we stream HD video over the internet, our displays are super thin and up to 27" wide, you can pick up a printer than scans and prints nearly as well as a photo studio for $100 or less, and not one company can make a joystick that is an all-around winner. Every joystick out there has some sort of issue that should not exist given the technology we have today.

Thrustmaster really has no excuse when they're charging as much for their Warthog as most college kids first car and Logitech should be ashamed since they sould have been able to see their G940 glaring errors with even a cursory glance.

The problem is that this market isnt the most profitable,that is no excuse by any means but they just dont give their best to accomplish the task of providing a reliable product.For example I used my brothers Logitech Force GT racing wheel and I found no problems except some minor cosmetic issues.Has been working great for more than a year and it seems it will continue working like it is supposed to for a long time.