The new bomb fuzing needs to be an option.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by JPerro

would this quote change your mind?

Well if you are only focusing on the mid to late war stuff.
I was aiming at the early war stuff. Panzer IIs and Panzer IIIs against heavy Char B tanks?? The 88 canon was not used yet at that time as a anti tank weapon, so how where the French tanks knocked out? Surely not with MG34s? Also the Panzer IV was not yet available in large numbers, although even that tank would have its difficulties against a Char B, as the French tanks where at that time better than the German ones.
Also TD have admitted themselves that the 2sec thing is just a random number they pulled out of the hat.
Some one is just against dive and skip bombing and would like to see bombing refined to high level bombing. A function for which the Ju87 was really built for!
I just have a feeling that the supporters of this random setting are not bomber fliers at all, but fighter jocks that hate being surprised by bombers, but wish to have every opportunity of surprise for bombers removed, and force them into high level carpet bombing. Any poor sod on a server who is silly enough to take a bomber and not have a dozen or more mates along to help, is from that point of view then just too stupid for a bomber in the first place, and should have choosen a fighter instead. From that point of view one could have then set the fusing time to 2min or indefinately.

[JG53Frankyboy]

i recommend to do a new research about the use of the 8,8 against french CharB and british MatildaII tanks in France summer 1940...................
and about the minimum heights of bombrelease of the Ju87.

that the "qualitiy" of the targets in game is sometimes questionable, true.

and to ad:
i also thinking that adding this arming time for the bombfuze was the last thing this game needed
at least in the form it was done....

but i DONT think that it makes divebombing or skipbombing impossible. i am just thinking about how it would be if it would have been implimented from the beginning of IL2 almost 10 years ago.......................................

[Skoshi Tiger]

In all that research did they state how many tanks had been attacked more than once by aircraft? Spotting the difference between a disabled tank and one in fully working order during attack run would be reasonable hard I would imagine.

Did they count all the ones that were temporarily put out of order due to minor damage but still taken out of the battle?

Did they count all the ones put out of action by being forced hulls down and incapable of moving due to the risk of air attack?

I have never been in combat, nor due to my age reasonably expect to be placed into that position. I'm not going to come down hard on the servicemen that claimed a kill on a derelict tank. I expect in all of these battles the pooh was hitting the A.M.D. and if you see your eight HVARs (equivalent to the broadside of a light cruiser) lifting the dirt around the tank that you are targeting I can see that you could assume that you've got a kill. Let’s face how long are you going sticking around to see the final outcome?

In my opinion these instances of over claiming are a natural part of warfare. How many claims for kills were made by the antitank gun crews in the same battles? It is part of human nature to want to hope for the best.

In the sim it should come down to if you accurately target the vehicle using the correct technique and work within the operational parameters of the weapon and the delivery system then you should get the kill. It shouldn’t be artificially made harder so it conforms to the statistics of the war.

Well that’s my opinion anyway!

Cheers

[vparez]

In the sim it should come down to if you accurately target the vehicle using the correct technique and work within the operational parameters of the weapon and the delivery system then you should get the kill. It shouldn’t be artificially made harder so it conforms to the statistics of the war.

So if you line up correctly, and are in range, every gun round should hit bullseye? Every rocket should hit the same spot?

Sorry mate but that is not called a "simulation" that is called an "arcade action game".

[JG52Uther]

Why does the new flyable Henschel have a low level bombing site that starts at 10 meters?
I would guess the Germans in WW2 had some idea what they were doing.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=17990

[swiss]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Why does the new flyable Henschel have a low level bombing site that starts at 10 meters?
I would guess the Germans in WW2 had some idea what they were doing.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=17990

The Henschel manual mentions L.Dv.8 and L.Dv.152 (L.Dv.= Luftwaffe Dienstvorschrift)

LDV8-5

Unfortunately I dont really get it, under "Bemerkungen" they show much shorter arming times.
Anyone can clear that up?

[swiss]

L.DV.8-4

page12, left upper table.

Min drop height calculated on 1sec arming time.

[Letum]

Looks like they had the same issues in the war some of us are having in IL2.

A report by Rear Admiral O. M. Hustvedt about Operation Leader reads:

Originally Posted by Rear Admiral O. M. Hustvedt

The two duds reported may have been the result of insufficient air travel to arm the bomb fuses…

Source

And a doctrine on amphibious activities from 1944 reads:

Pilots should be briefed on minimum speed and altitude necessary to arm the bombs and depth charges they carry on each mission. Many fuzes have been discovered in an unarmed condition due to the lack of sufficient air travel to arm them

Source

I would guess these cases aren't isolated.


It would be awsome if someone could get a copy of "Selection of Bombs and Fuzes to be used against various targets", OPNAV-16-V #A6, March, 1944"

[JtD]

Originally Posted by swiss

Unfortunately I dont really get it, under "Bemerkungen" they show much shorter arming times.
Anyone can clear that up?

German fuses were timed and the ones used for low level horizontal attack used arming times of about 1s and delay settings of 14s. Note that due to the technical characteristics of the fuse the "save" arming time was about 1.6s minimum, lower than that would be risking duds.

[JG52Uther]

Wutz don't stoop to their level,lets try and keep this on track.

Why do you think the Henschel 129 low level bombsight start at 10 meters,if our bombs don't work unless we are flying at 30 meters...