4.10 Support & Bug Reporting

[vparez]

Originally Posted by IvanK

They don't, the images were provided as a response to this thread to indicate typical Spitfire Elevator position in a trimmed 1G cruise state. There are plenty of other images around of Spits in the Luft showing this elevator deflection.

I know they don't mate, and I realize now that what I said was uncalled for, so I do apologize. TD does a lot of great work, and they surely do not deserve any complaints from us.

In all honesty, I can't really say if the elevator trim is ok or wrong, I just don't have the info to be the judge of that.

However, the roll just seems suspicious to me.

I tried a Bf109 and a FW190 and for both of them there is a throttle setting and a speed at which they fly without roll, even though they don't even have a rudder trim, much less the aileron trim. In both cases, I just played with the throttle, and kept the pitch at "auto". No rudder input at all and plane elevator trimmed for level flight.

I managed to stop the roll in FW190 completely at about 70% throttle and a stable speed of 420 kph IAS at 1500m. In Bf109G2 it was more around 80%, there was side slip and the roll didn't go completely, but was at least like the roll of a trimmed-out Spit VIII in 4.09.

I tried then the Spit VIII in 4.10 and found that no matter what I do with the throttle or pitch, it just rolls to the right at the rate of about 3 deg/sec (very rough observation) at comparable level speeds.

If I was to guess, I would expect that a plane like this should be able to fly perfectly trimmed at about 2500-2600RPM and Boost of +8 (a guess).

It certainly seems strange that a plane with a rudder trim is harder to fly than ones without. Even rudder trim doesn't help with the roll, since if I make it stop rolling, I have a considerable skid... I am definitely not flying optimally.

Could it be a slight mistake in the "DefaultAileronTrim" setting? A wrong sign maybe?

For a Spit VIII 4.09 it was 0.015, what is it now, if I may ask?

Again, really thanks to TD for all the great things in this patch, can't wait to play another SEOW with 4.10 and all new features!

Cheers!

[BlueLion]

It has been reported some times already but not confirmed being a bug, or I missed it.

In Home Base Properties, when using "MODIFY COUNTRIES" is does save the first time and adding the [BornPlaceCountries0] to the .mis file. However editing the mission again in FMB requires to set the countries again, because if you leave it untouched if editing your mission, this parameter is not saved.


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[BlueLion]

Recon plane set in FoW, enabled Aircraft limitations, added the Recon plane to a HomeBase with option Empty and droptanks. Plane still has mgs/cannons available.

Am I doing something wrong? I don't want mgs and/or cannons available.


BL

[BlueLion]

Currently, Primary target labeling is enabled on the map. Primary targets are set as Destroy Target Ground. How to hide this labeling on the DS using IL2SC?


BL

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by BlueLion

Recon plane set in FoW, enabled Aircraft limitations, added the Recon plane to a HomeBase with option Empty and droptanks. Plane still has mgs/cannons available.

Am I doing something wrong? I don't want mgs and/or cannons available.


BL

It works. Modify the plane loadouts on the Home Base settings screen:

-Check the box for 'Enable Aircraft Limitations'.

-Click the Aircraft tab.

-Select your desired plane.

-Click Modify.

-Place the loadouts you want available in the 'Selected loadouts' column.

-Save the mission.


Aviar

[Ernst]

The level flight of the aircraft depends on fuel, ammunition (C.G moves slightly), speed, altitude etc. Stop complaining about level flight and learn how to trim your aircraft. The aircraft, even the noobiesfire, do not fly alone.

Sometimes time i think the guys would like to take off, put the legs above the table, the hands behind the head and then light a cigarrete and smoke while the aircraft flies... Maybe you would like to read a book or go to the kitchen and make a snack.

[kestrel79]

I don't know if this is new in 4.10 but I noticed when using the nav lights during the day this very bright, whiteish blue light shines in the cockpit and all over the wings of the plane during the day...but when I do a night mission there is no light at all shining from the nav lights.

They are just nav lights I doubt they would be that bright during the day at not reflect off the plane at night.

[Tempest123]

Just a flying note for people citing the downward trim needed on a spitfire to fly level:

-Airfoils gain lift the faster they travel through the air (this is how an airplane is able to take off in the first place), how much lift is based on a number of things including the type of airfoil and shape and area of the wings

-The faster an airplane goes, the more it wants to climb, and the more downward trim is necessary to take the pressure off the control column. (to a point, at very high speeds, shock waves form and this is different, but this is beyond "normal" flight speeds, and usually occurs to piston aircraft only in a dive, and depends on the airfoil shape, ex. p-38.)

-As an airplane slows down, the opposite is true, thus more back pressure is needed, and thus nose up trim.

-As such an airplane in high speed level flight has a nose level angle depending on the aircraft, and in slow level flight an aircraft has a nose up angle. The slower an aircraft travels (i.e the lower the thrust), the greater the Angle of Attack its wings need to hit the air to maintain the same lift and level flight. The Angle of Attack can only be increased to a certain point, beyond that the air separates from the airfoil, becomes turbulent and the wing stalls, no matter what the speed. This is why you can stall a P-51 in a high speed turn (maximum AoA exceeded), do a "snap roll" in a Fw-190, and also the reason the 109 has slats (to keep the air from separating away from the wing surface, thus delaying a stall).

-Many computer simulations don't model this correctly, or if they do it is at least partially. In cruise flight, each change in power setting requires re-trimming the aircraft to relieve the control forces.

-The behavior of the spitfire is normal, and surprisingly, this should also be the case with most of the other planes in the game. An aircraft can fly level at a range of attitudes depending upon its speed.

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by BlueLion

It has been reported some times already but not confirmed being a bug, or I missed it.

In Home Base Properties, when using "MODIFY COUNTRIES" is does save the first time and adding the [BornPlaceCountries0] to the .mis file. However editing the mission again in FMB requires to set the countries again, because if you leave it untouched if editing your mission, this parameter is not saved.


BL

I believe this has already been confirmed by DT.

Aviar

[BlueLion]

Originally Posted by Aviar

I believe this has already been confirmed by DT.

Aviar

TY. Scrolled through 44 pages and should have missed it, while I did read the reports about this.


BL