4.10 Support & Bug Reporting

[Fenrir]

@ Swiss - Typical flippant response from a blue-only flyer who clearly hasn't flown anything outside of a 109/190.

IMHO the 4.09 spits were more difficult to takeoff and land, Torque at these points of the flight regime seem reduced in 4.10.

The induced roll in the 4.10 Spits is happening at anywhere above ~200mph and is NOT torque. Torque roll would always be to the left, this is to the right.

Rather, I suspect it is the effect of airframe bias, whereby a little trim is inherently built into the structure of the the airframe, whether it be slightly offset vertical stabilisers, or as in the Macchi series, the asymmetric wing profile. This limits the a/c to being inherently trimmed at only a narrow speed/power setting, with the pilot having to work the a/c trim more above and below these settings.

Whether the TD spits are correct or not I cannot say. I have no proof, documented or otherwise and have not seen their source to comment on the veracity of it.

I will say that in my opinion, the original 4.09s felt more logical as knowing what happens aerodynamically the behaviour could be accounted for. Now I'm not sure why they behave this way - it seems like torque effects are reduced in all flight regimes - incuding climb out and power changes but that has been arrived at by lowering the effective trim speed of the a/c. During all other manouevres above 200mph approx, the Mk Ixs particularly want to drop the right wing.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

@ Swiss - Typical flippant response from a blue-only flyer who clearly hasn't flown anything outside of a 109/190.

You my friend, have no idea.
In fact I fly red planes once in while(sometimes you just have to, to even out teams) - however I hate TnB planes.
The spit 25 is my favorite plane whenever I feel the need to correct my k/d ratio - I always get an instant boost of at least 150%, and yes, it works pretty well as a BnZ fighter too.

[Fenrir]

No idea? Lol!

Hypocrisy is the most heinous of ignorances.

Here's an idea; why not make a constructive post presenting data, documents or relevent experiences regarding 4.10 instead of slagging off an arbitrary number of readers here who fly the Spitfire for no reason than to stroke your own ego.

Cos that's all you accomplish Swiss - no-one else's gonna respect you for those less than subtle digs.

And considering that many pilots I call good friends can take on human controlled Spits in a 109/190/Zero of equivalent year and at least survive if not victor, I suspect you like to boost your ego here to make up for your flying performance - or lack thereof.

So, take your inferiority complex and inflict it on someone else.

I'm also not your friend - people earn that accolade with respect and admiration and you have not proved yourself worthy of either yet.

Oh, and for the record, I'm a P-38 acolyte.

[swiss]

Look fenrir, I don't give a flying f@** about you or your opinion.
May I remind you, you started this argument with quoting me?
And now p.o.
Cheers.

[Fenrir]

Happy New Year to you too Swiss. X

[Tempest123]

I do fly the spit regularly, and noticed this a few pages back, yes the FM was adjusted (its in the readme AND the guide!), but I can just trim it out to fly level, not sure what the huge calamity is. I noticed the trim issue, but I found evidence that indicates this is accurate, and this has since been backed up with photos that roughly match the in game spit in level flight.
The spit doesn't have in-flight adjustable aileron trim, so you'll have to counteract slight roll with aileron somewhat, as you had to do in 4.09, and have to do with many aircraft like this. So YES the spit needs more elevator trim, NO it doesn't affect the FM adversely, I just shot down 2 La-7's. There is no need to exaggerate so much about these FM issues so much, and btw the P-51 wasn't "tuned up", it had an error of some 40cm being missing from the fuselage length, which is now fixed.

[vparez]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

The induced roll in the 4.10 Spits is happening at anywhere above ~200mph and is NOT torque. Torque roll would always be to the left, this is to the right.

I think you are right, and then the culprit is probably the default aileron trim value in the FM. Possibly there is a +- sign error there, since this built in trim is too much for the current torque of the engine.

Any word from TD?

[FS~Phat]

Guys for the record I know the FM was changed I was asking if this level of trim change was intended as part of the flight model changes or if it is now a bug as a result of the changes. I have been flying il2 spits since day dot and this change seems totally out of character for the spit. I also asked if DT could elaborate on exactly what was changed in the Flight Model.

Cheers guys I appreciate all your opinions and input to let the DT guys what we think of the changes, but please keep the flaming out of it. Let's be one big grateful family for the wonderful gift the DT guys have given us and be thankful that Oleg allowed the licensing to go to some dedicated guys.

[vparez]

Guys is this a bug:

If I select "+" in the "Pos" setting in QMB, the plane I chose (any plane) is Ai, and player doesn't have a plane. If I just change this to either "=" or "-" everything loads normally.

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by vparez

Guys is this a bug:

If I select "+" in the "Pos" setting in QMB, the plane I chose (any plane) is Ai, and player doesn't have a plane. If I just change this to either "=" or "-" everything loads normally.

On Normandy map? Or any other?