Friday 2010-12-03 Dev. update and Discussion

[klem]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Klem, I am assuming that you aren't an englishman because your geography is all over the shop.

1. Duxford is in the East, not the South-East You may consider it the South East but people in England consider it Eastern, especially those who proudly live there. To put things into perspective it is as far north as Coventry and they speak funny up there
2. The South West is not on this map. The South West (where I live) extends to Wiltshire and that's it. Everything else to the East is considered Southern and South Eastern.
3. Historically 12 Group squadrons didn't get all that involved in the fighting over the South Downs. Winny covered this point very well.

In order to include Duxford the map would have to extend another 50 miles northward. To put things into perspective RAF Croydon is 50 miles from the South Coast at Brighton.

Oh gawd I promised myself I wouldn't say any more on this but your points are a bit different.

I am English, I now live on the South Coast near to Brighton. I was born in SE London under what had been the V1/V2 alley and 300 yds from a major triple railway junction that got plastered several times. I played on bombsites and have got p*ssed in Croydon. I work as a volunteer at an aviation museum that was an 11 Group Sector Station and has a hall dedicated to the BoB. I know exactly where Duxford is, I have visited it several times and my daughter went to Uni at nearby Cambridge. I drove past Duxford many times.

My english said 'the main defensive Battle, in the South East,' meaning I accept that we don't have the North Eastern LF5 raids or the offensive bombing raids into Germany (don't ever suggest to Bomber Crew of the time that Bombing played no part in the Battle, I have met a couple and they don't like it).

I know the South West is not on the Map and I haven't worried about 10 Group although the map touches on that.

The 12 Group squadrons did not, indeed, get much involved over the South Downs, their task was to defend the 11 Group Airfields, particularly those to the South of London down to Surrey and mid Kent.

Look guys, we can kick this football around for another week. We all have our opinions about whether 12 Group was important or not. Some of your your views are interesting and to me somewhat surprising at how little importance you attach to 12 Group's involvement in the Battle, as it was fought, or to how it might otherwise have been fought.

However, mine was a simple question to Oleg. The only thing I am really interested in now, expecting that we won't get an important part of 12 Group, is how Oleg, knowing the Battle, intended us to represent Squadrons outside 11 Group that took part, e.g. how did he envisage us representing the Duxford Wing.

That's it, I'm done.

[nearmiss]

Klem

You have made some very good points.

Oleg may be able to address your concerns. Possibly a while after the initial release with an enlarged map, which could release as a patch.

Then again, for security reasons the actual map for BOB SOW may not be what we are seeing in the screenshots. Afterall, the SOW is about the Battle of Britain. It just doesn't make sense for a BOB to not have all the groups covered.

Afterall, many users already have large amounts of ram, high performance video cards, and multi-processors. It has been my understanding the map sizes have been restricted principally to allow persons with lower spec systems to use the sim.

[Bearcat]

If this sim is like IL2 was I will not be surprised it it will run fine off a dual core something or other with DDR 400 RAM and -4 generation video card.. at toned down settings of course..

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Klem

You have made some very good points.

Oleg may be able to address your concerns. Possibly a while after the initial release with an enlarged map, which could release as a patch.

Then again, for security reasons the actual map for BOB SOW may not be what we are seeing in the screenshots. Afterall, the SOW is about the Battle of Britain. It just doesn't make sense for a BOB to not have all the groups covered.

Afterall, many users already have large amounts of ram, high performance video cards, and multi-processors. It has been my understanding the map sizes have been restricted principally to allow persons with lower spec systems to use the sim.

Oh NO!! Just when it had all been sorted! (nearly)

I can't see that being the case Nearmiss. Are you suggesting that you were hoping for the map to go all the way to Scotland (and presumably then include Norway too - sorry that old Norwegian horse has been flogged pretty hard by me these last few days ), to cover anywhere that saw ANY action at all in the BOB?

(I believe the first German aircraft to be shot down in Britain was up north [either Scotland or north of England?])

Or, do you mean that it should just include the SW and up to the midlands?

There are a lot of cities to include in a bigger map - if they're all going to be done to the same standard as London it's going to take a LONG time, and for what real benefit? How many times will people re-enact a raid on Hull?

Also, the secrecy argument has been used a few times before by people who have a hard time believing that their personal idea of what the game would be isn't going to happen. I don't buy it.

By the way, where is Oleg when we need him?

[FlatSpinMan]

Hopefully not bothering reading the last 5 or so pages.

[JG52Krupi]

Lol well said.

I understand why some ppl are frustrated, Oleg should say something on this as clearly some of us were expecting a larger map.

Personally I would have liked the south west to be present but I'm not too bothered.

[Insuber]

I would happily play this game with the present map. Just give it us asap, please.

[brando]

Originally Posted by flatspinman

hopefully not bothering reading the last 5 or so pages.

+100%

[JAMF]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Then again, for security reasons the actual map for BOB SOW may not be what we are seeing in the screenshots. Afterall, the SOW is about the Battle of Britain. It just doesn't make sense for a BOB to not have all the groups covered.

Let's hope they still have the map as "in development" because, as it was pointed out in another forum, the Basin de l'Atlantique wasn't built till after the war.

Center of image: Harbour to the left of Dunkirk


"Today" : Harbour roadstead to the left, docks to the right, near city centre


Aerial '44. Harbour and sea access near city centre. Would overlay the image above to the right quarter.

[Asheshouse]

That 1944 aerial image looks awfully similar to the details on an il2 map which I've seen somewhere.