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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 11-16-2010, 07:46 PM
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In the example of nVidia, they have paid developers to optimise their code to suit nVidia cards, and it's suggested that they also (and this doesn't require much imagination for any of the companies listed) do extra work to prevent the cards working well on a competitors card. This is not surprising. It makes their card look good, and leads to more sales and bigger profits, which is really the only thing most (all) of these companies care about.

No kidding?
Why else would I found a company other than for making as much money as possible?
Turn the world into better place?
That's the domain of NPOs and public funded institutes.

I have an ATI onboard card and a nv pci - I didn't know, and never expected, I can install both driver on the same machine and expect it to run properly.
Can I?
Speaking of it - in this combo I couldn't run SLI - but there's a feature called hybrid crossfire.
I cant use that. DAMN ATI for not making hybrid Xfire compliant with my NV card.


Do you guys actually realize, that if the two would act the way you wish, we'd be left with a single company? If everything runs as good on one card as the other, all that's left is the hardware - why should they invest huge sums to develop it separately if in the end it doesn't make any difference?
A fusion in this case makes waaaay more sense....

Conclusion: As along as they are giving each other sh1t, we have a perfectly working market with competition.
Once that stops, then you have to be scared.
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:02 PM
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No kidding?
Why else would I found a company other than for making as much money as possible?
Turn the world into better place?
That's the domain of NPOs and public funded institutes.

I have an ATI onboard card and a nv pci - I didn't know, and never expected, I can install both driver on the same machine and expect it to run properly.
Can I?
Speaking of it - in this combo I couldn't run SLI - but there's a feature called hybrid crossfire.
I cant use that. DAMN ATI for not making hybrid Xfire compliant with my NV card.


Do you guys actually realize, that if the two would act the way you wish, we'd be left with a single company? If everything runs as good on one card as the other, all that's left is the hardware - why should they invest huge sums to develop it separately if in the end it doesn't make any difference?
A fusion in this case makes waaaay more sense....

Conclusion: As along as they are giving each other sh1t, we have a perfectly working market with competition.
Once that stops, then you have to be scared.
Your post exhibits a contempt for fair argument.

What you refer to as "hybrid crossfire" doesn't exist; it would require a new API from scratch at a cost of millions.

People who bought a cheap auxiliary nVidia card for PhysX support on the other hand had a working system at an actual profit to nVidia. It's not that some extra work was required for nVidia -- quite the opposite. They foisted a driver "update" onto their own customers that disabled certain functionality of hardware users had bought and paid for.

You simply can't be taken seriously if you're going to consciously engage in disingenuous nonsense like this. It's furthermore notable that you've ignored nearly all the points raised earlier.

dduff

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Old 11-16-2010, 11:06 PM
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o man

Your mindset is one of the reasons, why Ireland is on the rocks!
A low blow -- one that would be offensive if it wasn't so deeply stupid.
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:30 PM
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No kidding?
Why else would I found a company other than for making as much money as possible?
Turn the world into better place?
Well some that start companies might want to keep within the law (there are laws on monopolies and fair trade), and some might want to treat customers well, particularly if that is likely to repay them in the future.
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Old 11-17-2010, 09:46 AM
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Well some that start companies might want to keep within the law (there are laws on monopolies and fair trade), and some might want to treat customers well, particularly if that is likely to repay them in the future.
I cant see a monopoly anywhere here - it's a duopoly.
That is already lowest level of competition - the last I as customer want is those two companies working together, which already might be case on pricing - they just need one of each company meet for lunch.
Cartel rings a bell? In which market situation would you expect them?

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and some might want to treat customers well
Well in fact they do. They just force you make a decision for one or the other, but isn't that what competition is all about?

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Old 11-17-2010, 10:38 AM
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Did anyone notice the title of this thread:
FAQ-QUESTIONS,release date,system specs, for SOW
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Old 11-17-2010, 11:02 AM
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Did anyone notice the title of this thread:
FAQ-QUESTIONS,release date,system specs, for SOW
then this thread should have been locked from the beginning - we can't expect any of those questions to be answered before release.


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Old 11-18-2010, 12:42 AM
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Has anybody been following this GTX 460 Hawk. What a bargain. If you have to spend 1200 dollars on a i7 975 why not see if this thing will work for 270 dollars instead of spending another 600 on a video card.

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Old 11-18-2010, 10:40 AM
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Has anybody been following this GTX 460 Hawk. What a bargain. If you have to spend 1200 dollars on a i7 975 why not see if this thing will work for 270 dollars instead of spending another 600 on a video card.
To be honest, if you're spending that much on an i7 975, you probably want a faster graphics card. Have you got any benchmarks for the Hawk?
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