When/what should we post in an Oleg Update thread, and when/what we shouldn't

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Spudkopf

If you still feel so passionate about a particular item then instead of harping on about continually in the update thread, move off and start a new thread where it can live or die on it’s own merits.

That's actually very good advice. When people where debating systems modelling and clickable cockpits we took it up in a different thread. It ended up being more focused, it highlighted the real issue of why people wanted such features, plus if enough of them wanted it (via a poll).
In the end we got both of these features, systems modelling as a difficulty setting and clickable cockpits as an interface option, which means that everyone can choose what they want to use instead of forcing their preferences on one another. It was a very good outcome for everyone and showed what's the proper way to go about it.

As for moderation now, i agree that having 2-3 members of the 1c staff on the job would be good. Nearmiss is a volunteer and while he's doing a reasonable job (commendable even, concering the circumstances), he's one guy doing it out of his own free time and he can't be expected to be everywhere all the time.

Having a bit stricter moderation in the update threads by actual 1c employees would help things a bit.

Moderation is a big subject however, as it tends to be a double edged sword. On one hand, a company employee might be prone to silencing people who don't follow the "party line", on the other one a community member might be prone to silencing people who don't agree with his personal opinion. It's very difficult to find moderators that actually punish bad form and bad manners instead of difference of opinion.

That being said, i think that in the case of this company and with their proven track record of patience and community interaction, having moderators that are part of the company staff would not result in muffling out the voices of those who are critical of the games produced. After all, they do seem to value the input even if it's not all praises.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Splitter

We are over complicating this.

Just write your posts thinking that you are facing the other person and that they could punch you in the mouth for being rude .
................ People feel anonymous and safe sitting behind their keyboard. They will say things on the internet that they would never say to your face....

I swear, when it suddenly became socially unacceptable to punch an idiot in the mouth society took a turn for the worse .

Splitter

Splitter, with respect I think your missing the point. You and I might post as you describe, some others never will and that is what is causing a lot of the problems. Some will go along with it and some will not. How can we persuade them? Some of them actually enjoy being controversial and arrogant and its too difficult to police.

The real downside is we lose sight of Olegs views and he of ours. That's why I tried to think of a way to manage the problem by structuring it in a way that keeps the important stuff separated from the dross. We'll alway get the dross but we and Oleg could pick out what we need and leave Olegs update posts clean.

Anyway I doubt if Oleg would be willing to do as I suggest but it was an idea.

"Maybe it would also be courteous that before posting questions to at least try and do a forum search to see if the subject has already been addressed."
Actually I found the Search facility doesn't always turn up the answer. Better to search through Oleg's answers (as I was told how to do). But an FAQ as someone suggested would be just great.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by klem

Splitter, with respect I think your missing the point. You and I might post as you describe, some others never will and that is what is causing a lot of the problems. Some will go along with it and some will not. How can we persuade them? Some of them actually enjoy being controversial and arrogant and its too difficult to police.

The real downside is we lose sight of Olegs views and he of ours. That's why I tried to think of a way to manage the problem by structuring it in a way that keeps the important stuff separated from the dross. We'll alway get the dross but we and Oleg could pick out what we need and leave Olegs update posts clean.

Anyway I doubt if Oleg would be willing to do as I suggest but it was an idea.

"Maybe it would also be courteous that before posting questions to at least try and do a forum search to see if the subject has already been addressed."
Actually I found the Search facility doesn't always turn up the answer. Better to search through Oleg's answers (as I was told how to do). But an FAQ as someone suggested would be just great.

You're not wrong, some people will never change. But maybe the answer is to move or delete rude posts. Maybe if their voice is not being heard they will change tactics.

BTW, I think I have seen a change in some of the posters here so just maybe some things are working a little. We can but hope lol.

Splitter

[Spudkopf]

Originally Posted by klem

"Maybe it would also be courteous that before posting questions to at least try and do a forum search to see if the subject has already been addressed."
Actually I found the Search facility doesn't always turn up the answer. Better to search through Oleg's answers (as I was told how to do). But an FAQ as someone suggested would be just great.

Klem

Sadly due to my geographical location the Friday updates are usually a Saturday morning update for me and by the time I get to have a look the thread it has usually either blown out or self destructed due mass debates (pun intended) that clutter the thread, so I have to resort to the Oleg filter to see what’s going on, which means I might actually miss out on stuff that could still be relevant, but that’s something I just have to live with.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Spudkopf

Klem

Sadly due to my geographical location the Friday updates are usually a Saturday morning update for me and by the time I get to have a look the thread it has usually either blown out or self destructed due mass debates (pun intended) that clutter the thread, so I have to resort to the Oleg filter to see what’s going on, which means I might actually miss out on stuff that could still be relevant, but that’s something I just have to live with.

Yes sadly that's sometimes the case with me even in UK by the time I get to it.

"User moderation", "Open a new thread"... it just won't happen with some.

I'm coming to the conclusion we can't control this. I also think things will improve of we ignore the naff posts. If we can't get co-operation then as Spudkopf said we may just have to rely on the Oleg's Replies filter and remember the last one we read. It took me ages to go through the 20 pages, something like 300 posts

As to the original question, "What questions should we ask..." I think anything you like if it hasn't been asked before but keep in in the context of the Thread. "Update...." or "Oleg's Questions"