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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 11-16-2010, 05:30 PM
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Perhaps the Lucid Hydra chip, as seen on the new Asus Crosshair IV Extreme mobo, will go some way towards levelling this bumpy field. (Not that I'm recommending that particular board, which is aimed mainly at the over-clocking market) Once they have the software sorted it should be possible to combine green and red cards, hopefully to exploit the advantages of each type. Using the CUDA and PhysX features was mentioned in the review I read @ http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1134&page=1
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:03 PM
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This is all a bit too deep for me.

Is anyone suggesting that SoW is being developed to deliver maximum benefit only if Nvidia's cards are used whilst ATI users have to settle for second best?
No. Nvidia own some games, and make large donations to others, and they are particularly affected. SoW is not one of them. It's just a discussion about what graphics card companies do, and what is good and bad for the consumer etc.

I understand that Nvidia have been helpful to the SoW development team, but we don't have any information to suggest the game will run better on nvidia cards (other than the fact that they may have worked on their drivers). Oleg has said the game will run best on a DX11 capable card.
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Old 11-16-2010, 10:58 PM
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No. Nvidia own some games, and make large donations to others, and they are particularly affected. SoW is not one of them. It's just a discussion about what graphics card companies do, and what is good and bad for the consumer etc...................... Oleg has said the game will run best on a DX11 capable card.
Thanks for that Triggaaar
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:12 PM
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:59 PM
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i have an old GeForce4 MX4000 with 64mb ram on board, do you thinl i will be able to run this game on lowish settings or should i upgade to an amd? card to get good framerates,
please advice me as i believe game is coming out soon and worried my pc may struggle a bit.
as a side note do you think i will it be windows 98 compatible as i would hate to have to upgrade up to that xp thingy.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:46 PM
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In the example of nVidia, they have paid developers to optimise their code to suit nVidia cards, and it's suggested that they also (and this doesn't require much imagination for any of the companies listed) do extra work to prevent the cards working well on a competitors card. This is not surprising. It makes their card look good, and leads to more sales and bigger profits, which is really the only thing most (all) of these companies care about.

No kidding?
Why else would I found a company other than for making as much money as possible?
Turn the world into better place?
That's the domain of NPOs and public funded institutes.

I have an ATI onboard card and a nv pci - I didn't know, and never expected, I can install both driver on the same machine and expect it to run properly.
Can I?
Speaking of it - in this combo I couldn't run SLI - but there's a feature called hybrid crossfire.
I cant use that. DAMN ATI for not making hybrid Xfire compliant with my NV card.


Do you guys actually realize, that if the two would act the way you wish, we'd be left with a single company? If everything runs as good on one card as the other, all that's left is the hardware - why should they invest huge sums to develop it separately if in the end it doesn't make any difference?
A fusion in this case makes waaaay more sense....

Conclusion: As along as they are giving each other sh1t, we have a perfectly working market with competition.
Once that stops, then you have to be scared.
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No kidding?
Why else would I found a company other than for making as much money as possible?
Turn the world into better place?
That's the domain of NPOs and public funded institutes.

I have an ATI onboard card and a nv pci - I didn't know, and never expected, I can install both driver on the same machine and expect it to run properly.
Can I?
Speaking of it - in this combo I couldn't run SLI - but there's a feature called hybrid crossfire.
I cant use that. DAMN ATI for not making hybrid Xfire compliant with my NV card.


Do you guys actually realize, that if the two would act the way you wish, we'd be left with a single company? If everything runs as good on one card as the other, all that's left is the hardware - why should they invest huge sums to develop it separately if in the end it doesn't make any difference?
A fusion in this case makes waaaay more sense....

Conclusion: As along as they are giving each other sh1t, we have a perfectly working market with competition.
Once that stops, then you have to be scared.
Your post exhibits a contempt for fair argument.

What you refer to as "hybrid crossfire" doesn't exist; it would require a new API from scratch at a cost of millions.

People who bought a cheap auxiliary nVidia card for PhysX support on the other hand had a working system at an actual profit to nVidia. It's not that some extra work was required for nVidia -- quite the opposite. They foisted a driver "update" onto their own customers that disabled certain functionality of hardware users had bought and paid for.

You simply can't be taken seriously if you're going to consciously engage in disingenuous nonsense like this. It's furthermore notable that you've ignored nearly all the points raised earlier.

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Your mindset is one of the reasons, why Ireland is on the rocks!
A low blow -- one that would be offensive if it wasn't so deeply stupid.
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Old 11-16-2010, 09:30 PM
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No kidding?
Why else would I found a company other than for making as much money as possible?
Turn the world into better place?
Well some that start companies might want to keep within the law (there are laws on monopolies and fair trade), and some might want to treat customers well, particularly if that is likely to repay them in the future.
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Old 11-17-2010, 09:46 AM
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Well some that start companies might want to keep within the law (there are laws on monopolies and fair trade), and some might want to treat customers well, particularly if that is likely to repay them in the future.
I cant see a monopoly anywhere here - it's a duopoly.
That is already lowest level of competition - the last I as customer want is those two companies working together, which already might be case on pricing - they just need one of each company meet for lunch.
Cartel rings a bell? In which market situation would you expect them?

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and some might want to treat customers well
Well in fact they do. They just force you make a decision for one or the other, but isn't that what competition is all about?

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