DRAFT: BOP Fairplay Policy Agreement

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

Every point counts towards a win. In a CTA game, where no one is letting the other team land, you can expect to see dogfighting only where every plane that crashes counts as -1 point.

If you feel that one point doesn't make a differance, then go ahead and bail out. I however would want to put a plane without any ammo or fuel to use. It has been done several times during WWII. And not some pile of rusted metal to be found 65 years later.

Every point counts- by just saying that you suggest that you're therefore willing to do anything to get said point. In a strike where a full B17 load can demolish over a 100 points 1 does not make that much difference. Dogfights and Team Battles I agree every point maybe does count. As you yourself have said in your cta reference 'every plane that crashes'. There's your difference! We'd bail and credit the killer irrespective of what the score was.
Anyway knock yourself out, ram away if it makes you happy.If that's what they did during the war who am I to argue. Did they respawn 5 seconds after dying with a new plane and bombload too?

[Korsakov829]

No, they didn't. They normally landed and re armed themselves.
In the case of my uncles IL-10 over Berlin however, he could have bailed out when he was out of ammo and fuel, and risked the plane falling down onto friendly posistions. Instead, he crashed it into a street taking out two King Tigers.

I say, by all means ram the target. There is nothing wrong with it.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

No, they didn't. They normally landed and re armed themselves.
In the case of my uncles IL-10 over Berlin however, he could have bailed out when he was out of ammo and fuel, and risked the plane falling down onto friendly posistions. Instead, he crashed it into a street taking out two King Tigers.

I say, by all means ram the target. There is nothing wrong with it.

Wow! That must be documented somewhere. More so as there were so few IL10's in service then.
What regiment was he in?

[Korsakov829]

A little off topic, but I have no idea what regiment, or formation since I was told about it 40 years ago. I'm sure it is documented, I might find it if I ask to see some files but I doubt it. But from what I was told he did crash his plane into enemy posistions, destroying two tanks.

Like I said, it has been done. The Luftwaffe pilots would bail out before they crashed their plane into a target. So I see no reason why reenacting this in the game would be unfair.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

A little off topic, but I have no idea what regiment, or formation since I was told about it 40 years ago. I'm sure it is documented, I might find it if I ask to see some files but I doubt it. But from what I was told he did crash his plane into enemy posistions, destroying two tanks.

Like I said, it has been done. The Luftwaffe pilots would bail out before they crashed their plane into a target. So I see no reason why reenacting this in the game would be unfair.

Yeah but people don't aim their plane at a target and then bail out. What they are doing is Kamikaze. I'd like to see you aim your plane and then bail out while still at a suvivable altitude and still hit the target.

One of more awesome moments in a strike game happened the other night. We were playing 4 or 5 Blenhiems against 6 german ships with 3 109 fighters. Limited ammo. Germans won if they didn't lose all their tickets, British won if we took all 300 german tickets. No bailing from undamaged planes or crashing on purpose. I few a blenheim and went for a level bombing at 13,000 ft , dropped my 2 500lb'ers and turned back to land at hawkinge. Just before I reached the coast BeaverCompany's 109 suprised me and shot up my wings and number 1 engine went out giving me 0% throttle before I was able to kill him with my rear gun. I glided all the way back to hawkinge losing 12000 ft in the process, and touched down succesfully right on the start of the runway at stalling speed. That felt really good. I can't remember how the game finished, it didn't matter.

I can tell you, giving yourself a challenge makes the game far more fun. If you get damaged over the enemy bunkers, try to get back over a imaginary front line. See how far you can get back, and know if you bailout under 1000ft your crew are going to break bones.

[Davedog74]

yes there are cases of pilots ramming in ww2,but as the thread states,its about fair play,and ramming isnt appreciated in this game.

[bobbysocks]

that is why i like a game where all the rules are known up front. and that mostly happens when you play with a select group of friends who share the same interest and opinion.

if i had an uncle that took out 2 tiger tanks with an unloaded ac...i would know the whole history about that...pictures, letters, anything i could find. but that is just me.

[Korsakov829]

Originally Posted by Davedog74

yes there are cases of pilots ramming in ww2,but as the thread states,its about fair play,and ramming isnt appreciated in this game.

But I just don't see why not. It would seem true to history at least.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

A little off topic, but I have no idea what regiment, or formation since I was told about it 40 years ago. I'm sure it is documented, I might find it if I ask to see some files but I doubt it. But from what I was told he did crash his plane into enemy posistions, destroying two tanks..

Can you provide anything further about this.
I know that there were only 3 regiments flying IL10's over Berlin- 571st, 108th and 118th for a total of 120 aircraft. What date did it happen as this will narrow down the regiments. From what I've managed to track down there were between 10-15 IL10's lost during this period. I have already discounted 6 of these from german documents and will continue to narrow down. I also have a avid german tank nut of a mate looking at the King Tiger aspect. This should be easier as of early April 1945 there was only the SS tank battalion 503 using King Tigers in Berlin. There were only 13 operational so he reckons he can easily determine which tigers it was. As a side note by 30th April there were only 2 remaining of which one managed to disable or destroy 30 T34's!!!

Couple of other things:
You say your uncle ran put of fuel and ammo. As the range of the IL10 was in excess of 500miles how did he manage this as 'home base' would have been no further than 50miles outside of Berlin??
Did he or indeed his rear gunner survive the crash?

[Korsakov829]

The rear gunner survived but died later since he landed on a building. I mean absolutely out of fuel, as well. Me and my father never got along well, so I don't know much. Perhaps you could be willing to dig it up though, it doesn't really matter to me.