Friday 2010-10-29 Dev. update and Discussion

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

The smoke is part of the tracer, not the bullet.

and the tracer is? Inside the (back of the)bullet, so it is the bullet which drags the smoke behind.

[C_G]

Can't see the vids here at work but the screenshots hold a lot of promise!!
And thanks for responding to the community's request for vid and sound. Much appreciated.

Good luck on the presentation, Oleg!

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by swiss

and the tracer is? Inside the (back of the)bullet, so it is the bullet which drags the smoke behind.

Not sure on the Luftwaffe, but the RAF used tracer rounds; not tracers inside bullets. These were not bullets, and they could not inflict any realy damage. The tracers themselves only gave a rough idea of where the bullets fell.
Sorry if I'm not making myself clear...


For example:

Bomber Command Ammuition 0.303-in.
Between January 1942 and May 1944 the operational sequence for belting
0.303-in. ammunition was as follows:

7 A.P., 2 incend., 1 tracer (day or night)

On the 26th May 1944, provision was made to alter the current sequence, should the necessity arise, to enable a quick turn-round of aircraft for day/night operations, to be effectec:

Rear Top left: all 70% A.P., 30% Incend., no Tracer
Top right: 1st 500 rounds like above
Reminder 50% A.P., 20% Incend., 30% Tracer (Night)

Bottom left: All 60% A.P., 20% Incend., 20% Tracer (Night)
Bottom right: All like above

Mid-Upper and front: Both 1st 300 rounds, 60% A.P., 20% Incend.,
20% Tracer (Night)
Reminder 60% A.P., 20% Incend. 20% Tracer (Day).

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Not sure on the Luftwaffe, but the RAF used tracer rounds; not tracers inside bullets. These were not bullets, and they could not inflict any realy damage. The tracers themselves only gave a rough idea of where the bullets fell.
Sorry if I'm not making myself clear...


For example:

Bomber Command Ammuition 0.303-in.
Between January 1942 and May 1944 the operational sequence for belting
0.303-in. ammunition was as follows:

7 A.P., 2 incend., 1 tracer (day or night)

On the 26th May 1944, provision was made to alter the current sequence, should the necessity arise, to enable a quick turn-round of aircraft for day/night operations, to be effectec:

Rear Top left: all 70% A.P., 30% Incend., no Tracer
Top right: 1st 500 rounds like above
Reminder 50% A.P., 20% Incend., 30% Tracer (Night)

Bottom left: All 60% A.P., 20% Incend., 20% Tracer (Night)
Bottom right: All like above

Mid-Upper and front: Both 1st 300 rounds, 60% A.P., 20% Incend.,
20% Tracer (Night)
Reminder 60% A.P., 20% Incend. 20% Tracer (Day).

Is the link missing?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by swiss

Is the link missing?

No, do a google search for it, if you wish.
The RAF used tracer rounds, but these weren't meant to inflict damage and were not like bullets. They were belted in the same way, though.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

No, do a google search for it, if you wish.
The RAF used tracer rounds, but these weren't meant to inflict damage and were not like bullets. They were belted in the same way, though.

Color tracer markings are just markings. The tracer is inside the bullet anyway and this bullet may do a damage... At least for 1940. Or you say that the "self flying body-traccer" with small weigt has the same trajectory like a bullet without burning tracer inside? Just think about. Or I didn't understand....

The tracer bullet is analogy of the rocket engine, with a tiny small if any thrust.

[szala11]

The engine sound is pretty good I think, I also liked the sound of wind. It has a very good WW2 feeling. Thank you Oleg for this great artwork.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

No, do a google search for it, if you wish.
The RAF used tracer rounds, but these weren't meant to inflict damage and were not like bullets. They were belted in the same way, though.

Just to get back to the topic, you say those special tracer rounds did carry a smoke trail compared to modern tracers due to their different design?

I did a quick check, but couldn't find anything about those projectiles.

From the ballistic point of view, the tracers have to be as close as possible to the other rounds - that means same aerodynamics, same mass. Otherwise their flightpath is too different which would make them useless.
Mass is a problem as they burn much it during flight(lose energy), so, the longer the distance fly, they less mass they have, the bigger the difference where the tracers hit compared to other kinds of ammo.

I would think they are made of lead and copper/brass/steel too.

And you're right, they inflict less damage than conventional rounds as they have less energy, the further the target, the worse the energy loss.

[Il2Pongo]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

No, do a google search for it, if you wish.
The RAF used tracer rounds, but these weren't meant to inflict damage and were not like bullets. They were belted in the same way, though.

I am not sure if I am misunderstanding you. A tracer bullet is a normal bullet, with a cavity in the base that has a small incidery that burns a certain colour.
In characteristics they will try to match the ball and api rounds that are belted with it.
But it certainly hurts, it certainly damages much like any other round in the belt would.

[jocko417]

I like it!