the whole losing-the-helmet thing i STILL think is pointless..

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by kane1

I don't like having to put my soldiers helmet on every few minutes but I think it adds realism. It makes the soldiers less bot like, if you know what I mean.

Not really. Usualy a soldier would keep his helmet and close the strips exactly to prevent it dissapearing suddenly. Thats something they usualy keep really an eye on while training (discipline and such). At least for the German army this was standart. If the instructors would find you with unaceptable shape (like open strips) you would face some punishment. Same for most other armies. All this "loosing helmet" thing does is ading another useless micromanagement to the game which should be removed as you have to keep an eye on a lot of things already and runing around to pick up your helmet is neither realistic nor really anything usefull for the gameplay (i rarely if ever do that).

Regarding protection, reall the helmet is NOT there to protect from bullets. It doesnt mean that it might give you no protection but the chance to survive a clear straight shoot even by a 9mm are very small maybe past 100 meters it would richochet, eventually (but even then only when it hits a bad angle).

What a helmet usualy should do is protect your head from injuries if you drop down or something. They say it also gives protection against shrapnels but even that probably only if the angle allows it (a helmet has a round shape afterall), because the metal is quite thin. Its a myth a helmet could protect from bullets. For example the 7.96mm mauser which wsa pretty much the standart rifle amunition for the German army would have no trouble to penetrate a usual steel helmet from more then 1500 meters (if you hit). I think the bullet could even penetrate up to 1cm of armor. But I am not sure about that. Today modern helmets "maybe" can give you aditional protection where you survive head shoots that would otherwise clearly kill you without a helmet but even that requires a bit of luck. But still the main reason for helmets is to protect the head from injuries as it can happen very fast in combat that you have to either hit the dirt or you simply fall down.

[Korsakov829]

If all soldiers strap their helmets on then the Americans in Vietnam were on marijuana.

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

If all soldiers strap their helmets on then the Americans in Vietnam were on marijuana.

They probably just didnt cared about it. But I am quite certain drill instructors looked for it during training. If people did it in combat or not is a different question.

But thats a competely different time and war so soldiers and their perception might have changed. There are so many factors behind it that I guess one could write a book about it. And I have no clue why for Vietnam things seem different (maybe its cause the generation which moved out for war was a different one ?).

Anyway thing is that when youre searching for images about WW2 regardless if in battle or not you will have a very hard time to find pictures where the soldiers are using their helmets without a closed strap. As simple as that. And since MoW is a WW2 game I think thats kinda relevant. Not what some desilusioned indidivuals did in Nam.

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It seems though that at least for some there have been mixed situations where some closed their straps while others didnt. But I assume that many have been in a somewhat "relaxed" state while the pictures have been done to say it that way. Meaning days of no sleep, marching and now a quiet moment to take a picture would leave enough room to make your self somewhat comfortable. But I guess in combat most would keep their straps closed.

Coinsidence also wants it that our helmets in the Firebrigade looked and closed very similar to a usual helmet as seen by most German soldiers. THing is that during walking or a conversation when nothing happend we would simply keep the helmet on the head without the straps. But if you knew you had to get out, or do something you would always look to close it. I can only assume it was similar for most soldiers.

[kane1]

"but I think it adds realism." That's what I wrote but not what I meant. I meant that It makes them less like "PC Bots". It makes it mean more to shoot them or get shot.

"It's like shooting out a window, one more small thing that adds to the game." I know their different, my point was that it's one more cool thing about this game, like using a gas can to refuel your vehicle or using matches to light a field on fire.

[MasacruAlex]

This feature is great as it is, maybe a bit optimized will do better, like the helmets would be thrown off much closer to your soldier and an option to set on/ off to auto pick helmets if not wearing one or something.

[wtfbollos]

Originally Posted by MasacruAlex

This feature is great as it is, maybe a bit optimized will do better, like the helmets would be thrown off much closer to your soldier and an option to set on/ off to auto pick helmets if not wearing one or something.

do you make a point of making sure your troops have their helmets on, or do you just leave it?

[wtfbollos]

Originally Posted by kane1

...my point was that it's one more cool thing about this game, like using a gas can to refuel your vehicle or using matches to light a field on fire.

but it's not the same.

as was previously said, soldiers are ordered to keep their chin straps done up, otherwise they will be punished.

any shot that can rip off a persons chin strap and throw a METAL helmet what looks like 20 or 30 yards away would go straight thru a guy a kill him instantly.

thats not realistic. a truck running out of fuel is. using matches to light a fire is.

...and, as has been said recently, it just adds what is, imo, a silly micro management part to the game that is unnecessary. this is about STRATEGY not organisation, imo..

[kane1]

Originally Posted by wtfbollos

but it's not the same.

as was previously said, soldiers are ordered to keep their chin straps done up, otherwise they will be punished.

any shot that can rip off a persons chin strap and throw a METAL helmet what looks like 20 or 30 yards away would go straight thru a guy a kill him instantly.

thats not realistic. a truck running out of fuel is. using matches to light a fire is.

...and, as has been said recently, it just adds what is, imo, a silly micro management part to the game that is unnecessary. this is about STRATEGY not organisation, imo..

I know I said "realism", I'm not trying to say it's realistic. I think shooting the helmets off is a nice touch a nice detail, like refueling vehicles, like starting a field on fire, like shooting out a window. In the earlier games(SHoWW2,FoW) when you had less troops to control it made more sense. I get it, you think it's unnecessary. I think the Dev's did a great job with this game.

[Crni vuk]

yes, but think about it what he says. If you have a situation with enough force to "throw your helmet" away chance are big the soldier died cause of it. As said it just looks silly to have at some point a lot of people runing around without a helmet >_<

Though I have to say this only bothered me in singleplayer very much as in MP you replace your infantry so fast that you dont notice it that much, but it happens sometimes. In singleplayer as I try to keep my men alive I had at some point 80% of them runing around without helmets or using a captured one ... now to have your russian army with axis helmets, is a nice thing

[wtfbollos]

Originally Posted by kane1

I know I said "realism", I'm not trying to say it's realistic. I think shooting the helmets off is a nice touch a nice detail, like refueling vehicles, like starting a field on fire, like shooting out a window. In the earlier games(SHoWW2,FoW) when you had less troops to control it made more sense. I get it, you think it's unnecessary. I think the Dev's did a great job with this game.

it's a nice action, the animation works well, artisticly i'd say it was a nice touch, but not as far as being important for this game, again i think it detracts from it, however slightly..

with infantry you have to think about:

where your guy is.
is he safe, what enemy are around him.
what weapons he has.
what ammo he has.
if he has enough health on him or in coop morphine.
does he need to apply a health to himself?
is he part of any plans or is he staying there on defence?
is he assigned to a number to be called instantly?

now where's that damn helmet..

i don't think if soldiers died with their helmets on, we'd suddenly have a lot of time on our hands to admire the scenery..idk about you but i never have enough time to get done what i want to do.

i played soldiers from 2005 i think hacked someones elses mod and made my own actually and it's rubbish lol (never finished it blahbla ^^). yes the devs did a great job with this game, shame the engine can only use one core tho!

Originally Posted by wtfbollos

any shot that can rip off a persons chin strap and throw a METAL helmet what looks like 20 or 30 yards away would go straight thru a guy a kill him instantly.

...and, as has been said recently, it just adds what is, imo, a silly micro management part to the game that is unnecessary. this is about STRATEGY not organisation, imo..