Oleg shared some REAL NEWS today

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

Hi Bliss. Never were truer words spoken. The Syndicate server in ROF, is one of the best examples of how a server and it's missions can control the majority of behaviors - and deliver as much historical accuracy as you can get.

For those of us who've had the experience of hosting Il2-46 and ROF (very large bandwidth required, interface and netcode are worlds apart) - I think we might see it differently. SYN, why don't you tell them how much upload bandwidth your server requires in ROF (if you feel comfortable doing so)?

Such negativity, and this sim we've waited for sooooo long for - is almost on us.

For me, there is extreme beauty in Olegs Il2 netcode and it's efficiency. I expect the same from SOW.

Meanwhile, upload and download bandwidths have increased exponentially worldwide. Except of course, in many parts of the good ol' USA. The good news is that it's never been easier nor more trouble free to fly online with folks from Europe, Russia, Australia and other far away places.

In the ROF community, where we require huge bandwidths - users conducted and posted ping tests from all over the world. I was extremely impressed at European sustained bandwidths to the average user.

I can't say I expect the same things you do El. It's not exactly like it's La-5's vs FW's and 109's. Both the 109 and Spitfire are most excellent mid to high alt performers. On the eastern front, the mid to low alt performance of the Russian aircraft drove the fight low.

On the other hand, if you expect pilots to conform to poor tactical practice - I do think you might be happier offline, or in a COOP where you can get a true "reinactment" type of environment. For me, that'd be sad, cause your a great pilot and used to seem to enjoy Il2 MP a lot.

For me, that's not what floats my boat. The "Battle" has already been fought, 70 years ago, by the real hero's. Me personally, I'm most interested in seeing how it could be fought better, particularly when flying on the German side. When I fly on the Commonwealth side, I'd like to work on better ways to combat more effective German tactics.

A great example is Goring's orders for fighters to fly in very close escort to the German bombers. This caused 109's to have to fly at bomber speeds, near stall during escorts at the later stages of BOB. Gallands comments on these failures are well known.

Why on earth would anyone sane in this new sim, voluntarily do such a thing? The German fighters should be somewhat ahead of the bombers, enaging Hurri's and Spit's in the 109's best performance envelope. What's the outcome of that matchup under those conditions? Spitfires at speed, engaging 109's at stall? It's historical, certainly - but we already know how that ends.

Also, I have no intention of flying in Vic's when on the British side - why on earth would I ever consider it, when a flight of four is more effective (you know, two pair)? Luftwaffe developed that in the Spanish Civil war and the RAF chose not to adopt it, until later in the war. As most squads/teams in the community are organized as pairs - what do you do when 4 of you show up to play? Tell the 4th guy to get lost?

Sorry for the long post, just thought I'd add my 1.5 cents.... I'm way too excited about what I know we will get soon and have been reading over here for the last year and not posting.

S!

Gunny

[ElAurens]

Thank you for the compliment on my flying Gunny. Never thought I was much above average, with an all too rare moment of brilliance.

I am eagerly looking forward to SoW, don't get me wrong. And you know I will spend most of my time online. And I've started rounding up the Pigs and we have been flying some amongst ourselves, with a few guests, to get back in shape.

My comments are based on what the "blue" flyers I know are telling me.

In essence don't expect historical outcomes because everyone will be flying with our long years of sim experience under our belts. I realize we cannot "dumb down" just to fit the historical time period. But just looking at the two main players, Bf109E and Spit Mk. I or II, the 109 is really holding all the cards. It's faster, it probably turns as well or better, it is superior in the dive, and it has far better guns. The only bug in the ointment for the Luftwaffe will be the one historical parameter that cannot be changed owing to the full scale map... Range/endurance. No matter what the 109s will not have much time to do their work, this is the one ace in the hole that the RAF has.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out online.

Hope to see you in the sky over the Channel, Gunny!

[ATAG_Bliss]

Hi Gunny! Thanks for the kind words

As far as bandwidth, ROF is a true hog of it. 30 players in the server is a constant 10mbps UPLOAD speed (ouch!) I checked it with 60 players on and the server was pumping out 30mbps UPLOAD speed. It comes out to around 800 Gig/month of bandwidth (99% of it being upload speed) since the server has become popular. Thankfully the server has a 500mpbs upload/download speed.

But don't you worry, just like our server in ROF and IL2 of old, we have some great ideas for the MP server we are going to run for SOW (full switch/historical/and very objective based)

With our beefy dedicated box, SOW should run like a sewing machine

[TUSA/TX-Gunslinger]

I will surely see you there El - and I fully intend to enjoy BOTH sides Hoping to see it "Raining Pigs" in a good way! Look forward to visiting and having fun with you on comms. Tell Bury hello for me, if you see him.

Thanks for the info Bliss. Last year I upgraded my bandwidth, since our TX beta subteam was assigned intial work in MP - and set up a small server for a while (way before 1.012 Dogfight/CTF modes). I put net montitors on to measure bandwidth exchanges between server and clients - and analyzed months worth of data like this. I've always been amazed at SYN ability to host the large number of clients that you do.

My maximum load ever was 16 - with the server delivering best performance at 12. This of course was with me as client on a second machine physically connected to my server (router) when I wanted to fly on it. My sustained upload bandwidth was only about 8 mbs.

With all that said about ROF bandwidth requirements - I have never flown any sim with less lag and warp to servers in Russia (and I'm in Austin TX).

I'm dying to see what Oleg pulls off with SOW. I'm sure we'll all be blown away.

I gave up my server ambitions because I can get everything I need at the Syndicate - and if I'm in a mood to just kill/be killed/practice shooting - I can go over to J99. The noobs have a few of their own servers with easier settings - which is a good and important niche.

Sometimes I get the urge to go check the training servers out - but I have this fear that someone will see me there and think me a pedophile

A community only needs as many qualtiy servers as it can fill. I learned this lesson in ROF.

Hope I did not derail the thread too badly.

S!

Gunny

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

But just looking at the two main players, Bf109E and Spit Mk. I or II, the 109 is really holding all the cards. It's faster, it probably turns as well or better, it is superior in the dive, and it has far better guns.

Where are you getting these 'facts' from? That's not what the pilots who flew in the BOB said.

[T}{OR]

Indeed. Didn't Galland ask for a Spitfire?

From my understanding Spitfire was a bit faster and could definitely turn tighter. The advantages of 109 had were its weapons and fuel injected engine.

[SEE]

The RAF captured a BF109 and the luftwaffe captured a 2 pitch MK1 Spit just before the BOB went into full swing. The BF109 was painted with RAF decals and was tested in mock combat against the Spits at RAF Farnborough. Meanwhile, Adolph Galland and various other German Pilots did the same with the captured Spit (which was shipped off to Germany). The final verdicts are pretty obvious. The RAF considered it had nothing to fear from the 109 and the Luftwaffe had nothing to fear from the Spits! Both sides summed up their appraisals in that the outcome depended on tactics, skill, who spotted the other first and numbers! From what I have read, the Spit that saw most service during the BOB featured a variable pitch prop unlike the one test flown by Adolph Galland.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by SEE

The final verdicts are pretty obvious. The RAF considered it had nothing to fear from the 109 and the Luftwaffe had nothing to fear from the Spits! Both sides summed up their appraisals in that the outcome depended on tactics, skill, who spotted the other first and numbers!

Like you say, during BOB results were down to a lot of things other than the ability of the aircraft, like tactics, altitude and who saw who first. So it would be possible for the Spit to be worse at everything than the 109 and still get the results it did - but I've never seen a WWII account suggeting a 109 could could out-turn a Spit in 1940, and the Hurricane could turn even tighter than the Spit. I understand that the 109 dove better than the Spit, the Spit turned better, while their Speed was similar.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Like you say, during BOB results were down to a lot of things other than the ability of the aircraft, like tactics, altitude and who saw who first. So it would be possible for the Spit to be worse at everything than the 109 and still get the results it did - but I've never seen a WWII account suggeting a 109 could could out-turn a Spit in 1940, and the Hurricane could turn even tighter than the Spit. I understand that the 109 dove better than the Spit, the Spit turned better, while their Speed was similar.

Funny enough, the fw turned similar to spit(other than horizontal turns).