IL-2 Joystick curve

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Tempest123

Yeah, I use near 100's as I find it smooths out some of the control inputs, I'm hoping too that with the g-limits in 4.10 some of the unrealistic maneuvers will disappear, both online and offline the stick settings are too sensitive, some of the aircraft handle like an f-16, and some of the maneuvers that you can pull are totally bogus for aircraft of this era. That being said I think dialing down the ability to have super-sensitive controls in a future patch would go a long way to correcting this (as long as the AI gets more realistic maneuvering too).

How can the joystick settings affect the turn radius?

I'm just twiddling around with Joycontrol right now(once again), the only thing you just can adjust the % of rudder movement in relation to stick travel.

In fact, everybody has 100% rudder movement, the curve to his point can be different though.

[kimosabi]

I'm definitely not using a direct input. I have these:

0 0 5 10 20 30 40 50 60 80 100

Very responsive but stable when you want small corrections etc. G940 BTW.

I think I have to do something about the rudders though. All 100's make it very twitchy and overcompensating.

[swiss]

finding good settings in joycontrol is almost worse than adjusting freetrack...

[Les]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

I'm definitely not using a direct input. I have these:

0 0 5 10 20 30 40 50 60 80 100

Very responsive but stable when you want small corrections etc. G940 BTW.

I think I have to do something about the rudders though. All 100's make it very twitchy and overcompensating.

Interesting coincidence, I use similar G940 settings, for the same reasons, and was re-adjusting them just yesterday to deal with the over-responsive rudder.

What I ended up doing was pulling all the in-game Yaw sliders down to 0, and in the Logitech Gaming Software moving the rudder pedal sensitivity down to 25%. This means I really have to kick the pedals to make them move in a big way, but I don't see that in itself as a bad thing, as I don't think Yawing needs to be as responsive as Pitching or Rolling, and the lack of responsiveness has the advantage of allowing me to make more subtle adjustments.

There is still some oscillating or bouncing backwards and forwards as the pedals are moved quickly backwards and forwards, but that seems realistic to me so I'll just put up with it.

With those settings though I found it easier to aim at ground objects, and when on an enemies six it was easier to aim at a certain point on their plane or strafe them from wing-tip to wing-tip. I also found on one plane I was testing with that I could kick the rudder in to compensate for the yawing induced by firing my guns.

Another thing in favour of reducing the rudder pedals sensitivity, is that it makes it easier to avoid using them to put myself into a spin when in a tight turn. I used to use a MSFFB2 twisty stick and the force feedback would shudder just as I was about to stall, so I always knew when to back off. But the G940 starts to shudder well before that point and can't be used the same way, so I find it important to not have the rudder be so sensitive at that point.

Anyway, just thought I'd suggest those rudder settings. I'll have to go back and see if all these first impressions I got of them are accurate, but I think they are. Now it's just a matter of remembering the rudder pedals are actually there in the first place. Never having used them (or a separate throttle) before takes some getting used to.

Incidentally, in the Logitech Gaming Software I've currently got Overall Effect Strength at 100%, Spring and Damper at 50%, with no Centering on.

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by Les

Interesting coincidence, I use similar G940 settings, for the same reasons, and was re-adjusting them just yesterday to deal with the over-responsive rudder.

What I ended up doing was pulling all the in-game Yaw sliders down to 0, and in the Logitech Gaming Software moving the rudder pedal sensitivity down to 25%. This means I really have to kick the pedals to make them move in a big way, but I don't see that in itself as a bad thing, as I don't think Yawing needs to be as responsive as Pitching or Rolling, and the lack of responsiveness has the advantage of allowing me to make more subtle adjustments.

There is still some oscillating or bouncing backwards and forwards as the pedals are moved quickly backwards and forwards, but that seems realistic to me so I'll just put up with it.

With those settings though I found it easier to aim at ground objects, and when on an enemies six it was easier to aim at a certain point on their plane or strafe them from wing-tip to wing-tip. I also found on one plane I was testing with that I could kick the rudder in to compensate for the yawing induced by firing my guns.

Another thing in favour of reducing the rudder pedals sensitivity, is that it makes it easier to avoid using them to put myself into a spin when in a tight turn. I used to use a MSFFB2 twisty stick and the force feedback would shudder just as I was about to stall, so I always knew when to back off. But the G940 starts to shudder well before that point and can't be used the same way, so I find it important to not have the rudder be so sensitive at that point.

Anyway, just thought I'd suggest those rudder settings. I'll have to go back and see if all these first impressions I got of them are accurate, but I think they are. Now it's just a matter of remembering the rudder pedals are actually there in the first place. Never having used them (or a separate throttle) before takes some getting used to.

Incidentally, in the Logitech Gaming Software I've currently got Overall Effect Strength at 100%, Spring and Damper at 75%, with no Centering on.

Hey thanks! I'll try that out. I have overall effect strength at 50, spring and damper at 40. Centering spring is on and 40%.

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by swiss

How can the joystick settings affect the turn radius?

Change all of your in-game Pitch settings (located on the Hardware/Input screen) to 50 (instead of 100) and then come back here and let us know if your turn radius is affected....

Aviar

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Aviar

Change all of your in-game Pitch settings (located on the Hardware/Input screen) to 50 (instead of 100) and then come back here and let us know if your turn radius is affected....

Aviar

LOL - it was about the "behaves like F16" statement.


80%, btw, does make sense for newbies - helps a lot.

[Blackdog_kt]

Selection of separate control profiles from within IL2 are planned in one of the team daidalos patches, so people will not have trouble switching settings via alt+tab and having their FFB sticks go dead.

Even better, you could have profiles for single and multi engine aircraft if you have dual throttles. For example, in a single engined aircraft you could have one of the levers function as prop pitch, but in a twin you could have both levers functioning as separate throttles with rotaries being used to control prop pitch for each engine.

I'm not 100% sure but i think it's actually going to be in the upcoming 4.10 version.

[ColdfireTrilogy]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Selection of separate control profiles from within IL2 are planned in one of the team daidalos patches, so people will not have trouble switching settings via alt+tab and having their FFB sticks go dead.

Even better, you could have profiles for single and multi engine aircraft if you have dual throttles. For example, in a single engined aircraft you could have one of the levers function as prop pitch, but in a twin you could have both levers functioning as separate throttles with rotaries being used to control prop pitch for each engine.

I'm not 100% sure but i think it's actually going to be in the upcoming 4.10 version.

Well if it is in next patch then we only have between now and forever to wait ... if its in a future patch we may as well expect to be playing the new SoW

[Herra Tohtori]

I am using the standard version of Saitek X-52. The non-pro version does not offer adjustable input curves, and the default curve produced by the joystick is actually non-linear but exponential for pitch and yaw - a design feature that I can not really understand.

I personally would love to fly with fully linear control settings for pitch and yaw - and if I had rudder pedals, that too - on twist handle, linear response for rudder is untenable.

Getting the control response to feel linear (or close to - there's actually a slight logarithmic decrease in my settings toward the middle) requires a bit of trickery, though:

[rts_joystick]
1X=0 133 148 146 144 133 123 115 109 104 100 0
1Y=0 133 148 146 144 133 123 115 109 104 100 0
1Z=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
FF=0

1X is pitch, 1Y is roll and 1RZ is yaw.

As you can see, I manually entered these values into conf.ini, because the in-game interface didn't accept values larger than 100. This setup increases the sensitivity of the stick's by default "limp" center area, bringing it closer to linear response, while keeping the area immediately next to deadzone slightly less sensitive than linear (but more sensitive than the default curve of the stick).

As far as I can tell, the default control curves for pitch and yaw on this stick correspond with these settings used with a linear control curve joystick:

1X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0

If I now want a completely linear output from these inputs, I would want to insert these values in the conf.ini:

1X=0 199 180 163 148 135 124 115 108 103 100 0

in other words

1X=0 (100 + 10^2 - 1) (100 + 9^2 - 1) (100 + 8^2 - 1) ... (100 + 2^2 - 1) (100 + 1^2 - 1)

This will cause the Saitek X52 with it's non-linear control curve to behave as a linear control curve in IL-2.


With my earlier stick, a Saitek Cyborg Evo with linear control curve, I used pretty much the following curves for pitch and yaw:

1X=0 33 66 82 95 97 98 99 100 100 100 0

and the current curve is basically this, but adjusted for the strange actual input curve of the X-52.


I hope someone can find this post useful for setting up their X-52 for IL-2.