Champion of the Arena thread

[DGDobrev]

I, personally, haven't seen any. Royal Thorns are easier to "sprout" in the bounty hunter ot klisan's shop. I also have a feeling that those thorns will do better against the Kraken rather than K'Tahu.

You should try the kraken as the next boss battle. I remember beating him up rather well with only 4 royal thorns (and did that before K'Tahu). I also didn't have stone skin and used magic spring exclusively (had to beat the Kraken to get stone skin, as it was in the human lands after the troop upgrade, but the 4-battes quest was already impossible since I found the 4 thorns in the dwarven lands, nowhere else). You can use the following tactic: hide the thorns between 2 tentacles and start using flaming arrow to drop all of them down to 1-hit. Then simply drop them down one by one, hide the thorns in a corner so that they take damage from only 2 stacks of devilfish at the time, and with the ever-running magic spring you'll never run out of mana.

With more than 4 thorns the battle will be much faster, and you will do well to avoid killing any tentacles before the time is right to do so. If you kill a side tentacle and hide in that corner, you will still take damage from the kraken (posted that already, rancor did as well).

[plin500]

Already ahead of you

Tried Kraken and i think it is doable, but since my int is only 28 and fire arrow does 420 damage, it's going to be a looooong battle. So, doing the quick math, 17K each side tentacle + ~34K center one, we got over 250 turns and i'm not counting mana spring casting. The problem is, that those devilfishes are attacking me constantly and with every slayed devilfish pack the kraken will spawn a bigger group... Or am i missing something here?

[DGDobrev]

My battle took 354 turns, but I won it So will you.

The thing is, if you remain between the tentacles, you will fight only 1 stack at the time, which gives you some time before the stacks become really big. If I recall correctly, in my battle the stack went just a tad above 1000 before I dropped the kraken down, and your thorns should survive that.

[plin500]

Well, tried and failed. My problem is, that if i stay between tentacles, the kraken is doing about 600-1200 damage and that kills ~50-100 thorns. At the same time, if i have a 700 devilfish group attacking me and doing ~600+ damage, i'm losing more thorns than Hagrid can ress and eventually i die.
So, tried again with 300 thorns, hoping that smaller group kills devilfishes slower. Sadly, the outcome is the same.

I think, that with Royal Thorns it's easyer, because they're damage is smaller and defense is higher, thus they just survive longer and not killing devilfishes so quickly.

I think i'll start over and try to get a favourable setup and items.

[DGDobrev]

Sorry to hear that. It seems it all boils down to how much defense your unit has. Kraken is doing 300% damage to it and it hurts. Royal Thorns are better because they get normal damage from the kraken and 1/3 from the devilfish stacks.

[loreangelicus]

You could try ents and ancient ents. Sure, they don't get the double damage that thorn warrior/thorn-hunter/royal thorn get from the Crown of Blackthorne, but they still get all the benefits from Hagrid (+10% all resistance, resurrect, and more importantly +50% health).

I had the same problem with thorn warriors. I have 1 troll and 4 archmages, and they could definitely take out the Driller (as the 3rd boss to take out) by themselves, but it would take FOREVER. I added Hagrid, Crown of Blackthorn, and a full stack of thorn warriors (close to 900), they did a lot of damage, but even with the Driller dividing his attacks between magic shielded/stone skinned troll and thorn warriors Hagrid simply couldn't resurrect them fast enough (even if you make them move away the Driller still attacks them with range despite the Troll standing in front of him). I replaced the full stack of thorn warriors with less than half a stack of regular ents (11 initially available, leadership cap allowed 25) and they did quite well simply because Hagrid could res them to full stack whenever the Driller damages them (just keep stone skin and magic shield on them).

The big difference is the high defense stat, and resurrect works better on higher defense units since it restores on a fixed hit point amount (as opposed to say Eviln which restores based on a percentage of the stack's leadership size).

[DGDobrev]

Well, ents and ancient ents have even lower chance to spawn in the main area then royal thorns I think... And since he's doing the 4-bosses quest, things are going to get tough for him.

Have you found ents in the main area? I'm also interested to know, since ents should kill the bosses faster than royal thorns and they have a nice amount of armor for their level.

[plin500]

No ents so far.

I guess, that finding royals in main arena should to the trick. 4th battle is the only hard one, so i'm gonna focus in finding the best possible start for a imp/mage game. Boots or armor to raise psyh ress or just royal thorns.

Well, just checked the stats. Thorns have a Def of 3 as for ancient ents 60 And 1400 HP!! Heh, i guess there's a reason that they don't spawn in main arena, because with Hagrid, this would be too overpowered.

[loreangelicus]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Well, ents and ancient ents have even lower chance to spawn in the main area then royal thorns I think... And since he's doing the 4-bosses quest, things are going to get tough for him.

Have you found ents in the main area? I'm also interested to know, since ents should kill the bosses faster than royal thorns and they have a nice amount of armor for their level.

I have seen Klissan sell Ancient Vampires, Ents, Repair Droids, and Thorns Warriors (in different save games, of course).

4-bosses quest for the School of Gloom? Hmmm... why not kill the Turle and Spider, then join Humans/Orcs/Dwarves/Elves (which always have Ents and Ancient Ents), then take out Toad/Driller/Kraken/K'Tahu? Doesn't that count as taking out 4 bosses in a row without joining a new guild in between boss fights, or have I misunderstood the quest completely?