Friday 2010-10-01 Dev. update and Discussion

[Romanator21]

Anyway, I think constructive criticism is useful; but let's not split hairs over this.

Constructive criticism is not "The terrain sucks, looks like a watercolor, looks worse than 1946, the terrain has poor resolution, this effect is not up to standards"

The fact is that we're seeing the highest resolution terrain in a sim to date, with houses and trees added painstakingly by hand. Maybe you and I and other and Oleg don't agree about the colors, but that's no reason to bash someone's years of work to say that a child could have done better. Your computer probably won't run the game at all due to its sheer complexity, and the clouds are too grey.

I agree with Nearmiss. Moaning that an update is not enough is just stupid. You f*****s are lucky to get anything from Oleg. He takes the time to post an excellent update, every week, and after he has done so you ask and whine that you want a video. Of course a video will be nice, we all know that, but after one man has taken the time out of his day to post a number of shots and answer a number of questions you still whine. Well, I think it's ludicrous personally.

Oleg, are the clouds shown final? They look quite nice, but IMHO are a bit grey? Also, they still look quite cotton-ballish. I hope this makes sense. I am sure it can be a feature that will always be tweaked from release, but this is just my two pence. Have a great weekend

This is the funniest thing I've seen all day.

Oh yeah, those "f---ers" and whiners ruining it for everyone else...

And then your second paragraph.

Tell me, did you do this on purpose to be funny? Tell me you did, because if you were serious...


Of course, we can all just point our fat fingers at the other guy for making Oleg (and maybe even his team members) upset with us. We can excuse ourselves right away with "my post was before your post" etc.

Everyone here should be pointing their snotty fingers at themselves.

I'm guilty of it too, but just listen to us experts:

To me the cloud look strange

The screen is easy to make... and only see good look, nothing more..

I am not happy with it.

Nice photos, as always, but not new at all, too boring always to see the same

Is there a possibility to warm us up more by increasing the posts to, lets say twice a week?

I WANT THAT (no-sound) VIDEO!

Yep, at this project level, maybe one video should be more appropriate...

And my favorite

I'm sure someone like Cannon could sort the terrain out in no time at all, his terrain for Il2 is better than what we are seeing here at this moment in time.

and

The terrain in these shots look like they have been painted in water colour by a child.

I'm surprised this hasn't happened sooner.

Remember people, Oleg and team are not required to show us anything, they don't owe us anything. SoW could have been developed under covers without a single screen-shot posted.

Oleg said this week that he couldn't post a screen-shot because that would mean compiling the code and other things - too difficult because of the move. Well, he posts a screen shot anyway. He only said he might consider posting a video, and that nothing was promised. He posts a video anyway.

At least take the time to punch out a "Thank You".



So, thanks Oleg and team for all your posts and patience with all of us. Have a good week, good luck sorting out the move.

BTW, the screen-shots and video look great this week (and I sincerely mean it). Too many good things to say. (lighting, crew animation, paint flakes, bare aluminum, clouds in 5th pic look awesome - just as they should, etc....)

[PeterPanPan]

+1 Romanator. Well said. I just hope we haven't pushed Oleg too far this time.

And just add my voice to this, most of us here SINCERELY appreciate the efforts Oleg and team go to to keep us informed during the development phase. I for one would be really upset if this privilege was taken away from us.

PPanPan

[Romanator21]

this is a commercial product, we are going to pay for it and we have the rights to ask...

It's a computer program, not a made-to-order sandwich bar.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

It's a computer program, not a made-to-order sandwich bar.

ROFL, exactly.

I'm paying $50 for this game so I get a say in it? Not likely.

I totally agree that giving helpful information to the development team is good for them as it probably saves them some research time. But, saying "that isn't up to 2010 standards" does nothing helpful for anyone (except maybe making the person doing the criticizing feel superior in some way).

However, feeling that because you plan to pay $50 for the game you are owed a certain change being made or a further insight into the game as it stands in Moscow today...well that's just silly and an example of an over inflated view of the worth of one's opinion.

Isn't it obvious to anyone else that we often get screen shots for what they are working on at the moment? And because what they are working on at the moment may not be compatible with something they have done in another area in the past, other aspects (like terrain, lighting, clouds, etc.) appear more rudimentary than they have in past screen shots? Isn't it strange to anyone else that in some past screen shots the terrain looks better than it does in some more recent screen shots? Do you actually think they are regressing? No, they are highlighting a certain aspect for this week.

For goodness sakes, READ the entire thread before spouting your opinion. You DO owe that to the rest of the community. How many times do we see a criticism on an item that has already been EXPLAINED by Oleg or Luthier in a previous post? They just haven't tied the "good terrain" to the "good lighting" (or whatever)...yet.

Lastly, and I promise to end this rant (ungrateful SOB's with feelings of entitlement grate my nerves, sorry), how stupid would it be for Oleg to throw all of his cards on the table for the competition to see? How dumb would it be for him to hold nothing back for the "great unveiling"? I dunno about you, but the gals I dated never showed up to a first date naked....a little mystery can be a good thing.

(ok, there was this one time that this gal...oh, never mind)

Splitter

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Splitter

I dunno about you, but the gals I dated never showed up to a first date naked....a little mystery can be a good thing.

(ok, there was this one time that this gal...oh, never mind)

Splitter

and that's their first mistake!

It was me who said the the Terrain looked bad, i said it looked like a child has painted it. Someone tell me that it doesn't, I can only say what i see. No offence to anyone of course.

[zauii]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

It was me who said the the Terrain looked bad, i said it looked like a child has painted it. Someone tell me that it doesn't, I can only say what i see. No offence to anyone of course.

Okey so, you're ugly and I can only say what i see, but don't be offended.
Good logic.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by zauii

Okey so, you're ugly and I can only say what i see, but don't be offended.
Good logic.

Except you can't see Tree, so great observation...

It's just plain childish. That's the kind of thing I'd have said in primary school.

Originally Posted by zauii

Okey so, you're ugly and I can only say what i see, but don't be offended.
Good logic.

Im not offended, because you haven't seen me, I have seen the terrain and so have you, thats why your attacking me rather than defend the terrain, because at the moment it doesn't look good from high altitude. I dont think anyone can argue with that.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

It was me who said the the Terrain looked bad, i said it looked like a child has painted it. Someone tell me that it doesn't, I can only say what i see. No offence to anyone of course.

I don't agree with your characterization of the terrain. There are past screen shots where it has looked better, I will give you that.

I guess it would be more accurate to say that you, among others, have an tendency to post without any tact. There are MUCH better ways of saying what you said. More constructive and less confrontational.

Let's face it, you are in several "I told you so" arguments with others on this board. I think you are looking for opportunities to rub their faces in any flaws and that leads to these tactless postings.

Lack of tact and feelings of entitlement seem to me to be what lead Oleg to his last comments....so how well did they work?

Splitter