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10-01-2010, 11:56 AM
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I watched this a few years ago as well. The outcry around here for punishment is silly. Believe me, they were substantially punished both financially and emotionally.
I would have loved to see a veritable Disney happy ending with them flying into the blue back to civilization, but this bird wasn't visible or flying before any of this, so treating it as though it were a rare flyable that was enjoyed in air shows by thousands every year is ridiculous. Personally, I'm glad there are people out there with the money and inclination to undertake such projects. Even if they succeed one in five times, that's one more bird in the fold. 
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10-01-2010, 12:11 PM
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Would go and just "have a try" if you can resurrect them even though are unsure you can make it? NO! See? Let the stuff were it is, it's not going to rot either, and one fine day, somebody who has the required resources available, will give it a try. They obliviously did not have: - enough money - the right equipment - basic ability of comprehensive reading - leadership - needed knowledge only A LOT of dedication, but they overestimated their own capabilities even more. Did you notice the tiny fire extinguishers? They were not even prepared if one of the engines cached fire! One more thing: I really tried hard, but their emotional pain didn't seem that deep... I would have freaked out so bad. Personally, I don't need ppl like this, they generally damage more than they can save. No thx. Last edited by swiss; 10-01-2010 at 12:24 PM.
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10-01-2010, 12:15 PM
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When I read all these irate comments made undoubtly from the safety of your computer seats, I would like to point out that:
- It was 15 years agon and really warbird interested people know about that since that time...I saw the original outing of the Nova episode: I do not remember venom-laced critics like the ones I just read, and yet there had been many critics at the time - One of the big issues (as always) was money and extreme climatic constraints: it has been very hard to gather the funds...strangely, none of the critics of the time contributed...the one who did di d not critic (at least overtly) - In case you did not notice the real painful point is less the unfortunate loss of the Kee Bird when everything seemed ready to go but a lot more Rick Krieger the chief engineer who overworked himself to death, literally... - Rick was a long time friend of D. Greenamyer: don't you think he is still mourning his loss? DG hesitated for a long time and decided to try to honor his memory...one can only guess th eoutcome woul dhave been different if the chief engineer (who was the project leader) had been alive - None of us was there, and we can only guess at the state of mind of the rest of the team...hindsight is so much of a marvelous thing, isn't it? - D. Greenamyer was not really a coming out-of-the-blue moron: Lockheed SR-71 test pilot, held the fastest piston engine speed record for 2 years (over the Messerschmitt 209!), the fastest low altitude speed record (998 mph with a NF-104, 25m high...but was forced to land without the airplane), and won the National Air Races of Reno in "unlimited" category 6 times Granted, humility and compassion are not very common virtues in this forum, but in this thread they are downright absent... Who was talking about morons already? JVM PS: The engines and wings are there in perfect state for whoever will need them...under ice water in Northern Greenland they will be still in the same shape in 200 years... Last edited by JVM; 10-01-2010 at 12:18 PM. Reason: Beaten by Thunderbolt56...
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10-01-2010, 12:33 PM
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JVM, the guys for sure were on low funding, working in harsh conditions. They were also highly credited in being record holders and whatnot but still failed in one BASIC thing that requires NO MONEY, just time and patience to do: pre-flight checks to assure everything REALLY is ready. A test pilot should know this already. Now they missed that APU being a makeshift one, still running and thus caused a blaze resulting in the loss of the plane. Small errors cause big problems is a slogan used by air forces. Even the best and known ones make mistakes that can cost dearly. But again, being wise 15 years later and from armchair is useless as you said.
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10-01-2010, 10:47 PM
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The qualities of PILOT are not the same a BUSINESS SKILL. I PERSONALLY met D. Greenamyer on another project that ended in fiery failure, and I can tell you he did not strike me as a good manager. He bungled the B29 recovery, they should have been ready to come back the next year and not push it.
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10-01-2010, 12:43 PM
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10-01-2010, 01:13 PM
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What do want? Ricks death sure is tragedy - but I couldn't care less about about Greenamyer records or achievements as a pilot. He could be an astronaut for all I care. If that B29 crashed during the flight this could have been important - did you see it take off? They either wired it wrong or didn't follow the procedures. They fucked up simple as that, no force majeur involved. If you realize you run out of time or money during project, you have to halt it, and return once you have raised both. Don't rush - just do it right. and the parts were above the water before, not submerged as they are now. Water is better than ice I guess. They could at least have towed the debris a few hundred yards. But that would require fuel, a "very precious good up there". That was the first time I wondered what they are doing. If I can't even afford to let 4 engines idle for a few hours - that's sign to stop and come back one you can afford it. Not so our record winner: way too much ambition here, he's the man, he can, yes he HAS TO do it. Uuuuh *shivers*. I'm done here, must stop, I'm already glowing bright white again. Last edited by swiss; 10-01-2010 at 01:17 PM.
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10-01-2010, 06:42 PM
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Are you guys THAT narrow minded ?
This is so UNBELIEVABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For Christ's sake do you even have a little compassion for at least one of these fellows ? None of all you guys would have 1 °/0000000 of the skill/guts necessary to achieve that kind of project. All what you are goodfor is gossiping and yakking pure B/S. This is driving me nuts. I've seen that Oleg got recently mad on the Bob's post, I seriously think that some of you guys should learn or re-learn basic respect and life rules...
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#10
10-01-2010, 06:51 PM
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These situations are completely different. In this one, we're yaking at a guy who took on a challenge which was too great for his skill/ability/patience/etc, leading to waste of life and destruction of historical artifacts.
In that one, folks are yaking because the clouds are "too grey". Like telling Michelangelo his ceiling painting looks like a kid painted it with water-colors. Also, lives and historical treasures do not hang in the balance.
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