Officer's Patent

[Jah]

Looks like it simply requires a boatload of trophies to train them. After reducing my guardsmen stack to about 30, I was able to train them into horsemen, which reduced my trophies by about 5000.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Jah

Looks like it simply requires a boatload of trophies to train them. After reducing my guardsmen stack to about 30, I was able to train them into horsemen, which reduced my trophies by about 5000.

Ouch. Thanks for the info. I will keep it in mind. Seems like this is more useful as a one-off filler or for an early advantage on certain maps.

Seems expensive!

I certainly need more orc chieftains (thinking about getting them into my army) but I did not realize I could use orc veterans for that purpose.

Also, usually trolls are in low supply, but this helps fix that problem.

The new strategies we can employ in March Of the Orcs is really incredible. They managed to do it again! ;0

[onepiece]

But I still don't know how much trophies you get per battle or ways to get more(or is it a fixed number?)

[Nike-it]

Originally Posted by onepiece

But I still don't know how much trophies you get per battle or ways to get more(or is it a fixed number?)

We do not the formula of trophies amount yet. I'll try to ask the devs.

[Jah]

Originally Posted by ckdamascus

Ouch. Thanks for the info. I will keep it in mind. Seems like this is more useful as a one-off filler or for an early advantage on certain maps.

Seems expensive!

Yeah - too expensive to be really worth it, IMO. Might be useful if you badly need a certain unit type that isn't available anywhere for some specific individual battle, but at least for me, the amount of trophies required is too high for using this method to regularly reinforce a stack. Not to mention that you can't have any other regalia item equipped if you want to keep accumulating trophies.

I think it would be better if you only needed trophies for raising the level of upgradable troops and opening other races for upgrading, and the upgrades themselves were paid entirely in gold. That way, you could keep the patent equipped until you've raised troop level to the maximum and "unlocked" the races you might want to upgrade (at least on Normal difficulty, it's taken me quite a bit of time to get that far, even with the patent equipped from day 1) and then use the regalia slot for something else.

[DrAtomic1]

Repair Droid -> Guard Droid

[Colbert30]

It would be nice if the patent itself could be upgraded each time you upgrade the level of troops you can train (for gold, or something). That way, the item scales and doesn´t feel much like a drag to have to wear it, especially later in the game where its relative power is so small compared to the alterantives.

Also, I agree that it´s poorly documented.

[Levesque]

Yes. It's seems rather annoyingly ''complicated'' to use this ''feature''. This, or I'm too stupid to use it.

I have more then 20000 trophies, and can only make 20 knights at a time. There was only 50 knights on all my ramdom world, so I'm trying to make some (since I like to teleport them at the beginning of a fight and then kill 3 stacks, before even starting to fight...)

But... I can make only around 20 knights at a time, and only for 2 times, and then I get the ''training unavailable'' line for my guardsman, even with 4 empty slots, 20000 trophies and over 1 million in the bank. I tried EVERYTHING. I've tried with swordsman and Guardsman, with 5, 10, 100 or 200. Nothing. ''Training unavalaible''.

Nothing is working.

I bought all the level upgrades and races upgrades before you ask it.

Is there a day-limit, time-limit, amount-limit, or anything like this? I can play for a couple of fights and sometimes, when trying again later, I can make another batch of 20, and sometimes not. It looks totally random to me.

I can't even upgrade my griffons to royal griffons. I empty all my slots except one, bring 5, 10, or 50 griffons, 20000 trophies, 1000000 dollars: ''training unavailable''. Huh?

[camelotcrusade]

Originally Posted by Levesque

Nothing. ''Training unavalaible''.

Is there a day-limit, time-limit, amount-limit, or anything like this? I can play for a couple of fights and sometimes, when trying again later, I can make another batch of 20, and sometimes not. It looks totally random to me.

I can't even upgrade my griffons to royal griffons. I empty all my slots except one, bring 5, 10, or 50 griffons, 20000 trophies, 1000000 dollars: ''training unavailable''. Huh?

I had a similar experience with orc trackers. I really wanted more of them to augment what was available at the initial docs, so I scrimped and saved to get enough regular orcs, trophies, and the ability to train both orcs and level 3 units. After all that, I could still not train an orc tracker.

However, many moons later (and, incidentally, after I had also visited the academy in Verona) I was able to create them using the same resources (the only 19 orcs I could find) and patent level I had before. By then it wasn't worth it since I could hold a lot more than I could make anyway.

So, I too would like some clarification (or other anecdotes, if we must figure this out for ourselves) on how and when this training thing works. Does discovering other academies matter? Do you need certain story events or quets to take place (for exapmle sometimes new troops appear based on quests you've completed)? Other triggers?

PS - also thanks to Hunkie for that upgrade list. If you find any for units other than humans please post them. It takes a lot of resources and inconvenience to even test if you can upgrade, so knowing up front is much better.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Levesque

There was only 50 knights on all my ramdom world, so I'm trying to make some (since I like to teleport them at the beginning of a fight and then kill 3 stacks, before even starting to fight...)

Sorry to hear about your plight. But, I am curious. What class are you? Are you playing Impossible and No Loss?

How do you kill 3 stacks initially before the fight has begun?

Do you mean you hit (and ideally kill), and the other enemies try to hit you and you counterattack to kill them?

(So are you a warrior class with counterattack?)

I realize it might be an expression, but I've been experimenting with heavy melee, so I wanted to know for sure.

Thanks!