Friday 2010-09-17 Dev. update and Discussions

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

All I can say s that I've got screen shot 2 as my desktop picture.

Thanks for the update.

it may bump the "force-landed in cornfield spit" from mine.

Originally Posted by C_G

Hadn't noticed the "smoke/dust drift" effect from the factory, I truly hope (and expect) that that is caused by the ground level wind direction and speed. Cooooooooool!

I am a bit surprised at how extensively the whole factory (and surrounding buildings) are damaged by 4X 50 kg bombs, but perhaps this stuka is part of a larger flight which dropped before it did.

Nice to see that the dev team has begun damage models for the building types...
I'm clearly going to have to start saving for a new rig!

sell a family member for spare parts, kidneys go for a good rate i hear.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Daniël

Amazing!!! I have no words to describe that. It's just so different and much better than Il2.
A few questions:

1.Will droptanks explode violently if they are hit?

2.Will there be jamming stations in SoW, so the radiocantact can falter?

3.If planes are very much used in a campagne and the engine is almost broken and almost al the paint is gone, can the engine be changed and can the plane get a new coat of paint? Or will you get a new plane?

1.
A FULL tank is not going to explode(only in Hollywood), it could catch fire though.
For an explosion you would need a fine spray of fuel.
You may want to try that a home(outside, on an empty parking lot) Take a plastic bottle, fill it with fuel, leave 1inch to the top.
Have something to seal the bottleneck ready.
Light a match, throw it in and tell me what happened.

A: most likely the match will just extinguish in the fuel, just like in water.
B: The fuel catches fire, you got a tiny flame coming out of the bottleneck.
Seal the opening and your fine again.

Now if you try the same with only a few milliliters(DON'T!), resulting in a mix of lots of O2 and fuel fumes inside, the bottle most likely is going to blow up in your face.



3.
How long are you willing to wait fore the paint to dry? Honestly, I don't think they did some "ad hoc on the field" paint jobs.


BTT:
Again excellent pics, thanks.

[Daniël]

Originally Posted by swiss

1.
A FULL tank is not going to explode(only in Hollywood), it could catch fire though.
For an explosion you would need a fine spray of fuel.

I think a shell would do the work: The shell hits the droptank and the shell explodes, which causes a leak + heat. There is enough oxygen in the air so in theory that would cause a KABOOM!

[Romanator21]

Drop tanks catch fire in Il-2 as well. You just never see it happen because

A) online, no one takes drop-tanks

B) offline, the AI know where you are at all times and will drop the tanks by the time you're anywhere near them.

Go set up a mission in QMB with friendly planes that carry drop tanks and shoot at them. A nice fireball will result.

[Alien]

This is nearly impossible to have FULL droptank in the middle of dogfight, 'cause you must calculate fuel consumption and the fact, that every pilot uses droptanks first. And when droptank's fuel level is approaching 0, or, let's say, a half, then fumes might be enough to cause explosion, even with ordinary shell, or bullet. And don't forget about big hole, which is giving more and more oxygen to the burning fuel, so it's quite possible to blow a droptank, and is proven by some guncam vids of WWII period.

[Friendly_flyer]

Originally Posted by Daniël

1.Will droptanks explode violently if they are hit?

I think you may be referring to an incident early in the BoB, where Bf 110s flying in from Norway was met by Hurricane squadrons, and the lead plane of the German squadron blew up violently. The 110's were equipped with huge external belly tanks. The explosion was theorized to have been caused by tracer bullets igniting petrol vapour in an empty tank.

These tanks were not drop-tanks. Proper drop-tanks was developed during the BoB, but did not become common until 1941. The explosion of the Bf 110 belly tank in combat is as far as I can tell a one-off event.

[Blackdog_kt]

I think it depends on what people mean by "explosion". I've seen the guncam video on youtube where a 190 gets attacked and the drop tank is set ablaze. The thing is, it doesn't blow up violently enough to outright destroy the 190.

It sure ignites in a spectacular fashion and i don't know what kind of damage the aircraft sustained as a result, but it's clearly seen having its wings in place and continuing to fly.

In theory, a cannon shell hitting the tank under the right conditions would be able force the creation of a fuel-air mixture/spray that could be ingited by a second shell/tracer or even the residual heat from the first shot: the first shell bursts the tank and the shell's explosion sends fuel flying all around, which could then be ignited as it's now mixed with air.

However, let's also not forget that burning doesn't equal explosion. Many things that can cause explosions under certain circumstances fail to do so under others. In order for an explosion to happen, we also need to have the volatile contents under pressure. So, an empty tank full of vapors but sealed and under some kind of pressure is more probable to explode when hit. A tank that gets holed but doesn't explode on first hit might result in a fuel leak that gives a suitable fuel-air mixture to ignite by subsequent bullets but by that point the pressurization is gone, so the most probable outcome would be the fuel burning but not exploding.

It's just like gunpowder. When sealed in a shell casing and ignited, it's capable of propelling shells at speeds high enough to kill people and shoot down aircraft, but if you open the shell casing, empty the gunpowder on the floor and set it alight it just makes nice sparkles

[Flying_Nutcase]

Looking good Oleg!

Great shadows, the editor UI looks modern and slick, and the grass is awesome!

One question about the grass
Does the grass move in the wind? Sry if someone's asked already.

Cheers,


Flying Nutcase

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Flying_Nutcase

Looking good Oleg!

Great shadows, the editor UI looks modern and slick, and the grass is awesome!

One question about the grass
Does the grass move in the wind? Sry if someone's asked already.

Cheers,


Flying Nutcase

Not if you mow it

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

, but if you open the shell casing, empty the gunpowder on the floor and set it alight it just makes nice sparkles

Been there.

Did you know there are two sorts of gunpowder:
Fast burning(pistol and rilfe ammo) as well as slow burning(shotgun).

If you have the chance light both and compare them.

Edit:

a hydrodynamic fuse was fitted so that the shell only exploded once it came into contact with liquid.

How's that supposed to work?