Friday 2010-09-03 Dev. update and Discussions

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Baron

What most people "complaining" about pilot size fail to relize is:

1# That Oleg and team have a accuratly moddeld Hurri ( down to an inch) where they place a pilot in the seat (wich is at the exact same spot as the real thing) whos 175 cm tall, and thats where thee pilot ends up, period.

2# As far as i know adjusteble seat isnt modelled (at least not visually) wich would explain why he is sitting so low even when on the ground.


There has been a number of pics posted showing hurris on takeoff and in flight and it clearly shows that a pilot taking off is sitting way higher than he is during flight....i wonder why, hmmmm.


Now, move along, nothing more to see here..before Oleg shuts this site down completly.

You forget that the seat was adjustable, and with a seat-parachute would make a huge difference to how tall the pilot looked. I have no reason to doubt that everything is to scale, but for a take-off, this pilot must be pretty stupid to sit this low. Even if he landed he's clearly a bit of an idiot

[Baron]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

You forget that the seat was adjustable, and with a seat-parachute would make a huge difference to how tall the pilot looked. I have no reason to doubt that everything is to scale, but for a take-off, this pilot must be pretty stupid to sit this low. Even if he landed he's clearly a bit of an idiot

True, but moddeling (visually) the pilot going up and down in his adjusteble seat just so it LOOKS right is a complet waste of time and resources imo.

But hey, maby they allredy did that and just forgot to raize the seat after landing, kind of hard to tell from a SCREENSHOT...

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Baron

True, but moddeling (visually) the pilot going up and down in his adjusteble seat just so it LOOKS right is a complet waste of time and resources imo.

But hey, maby they allredy did that and just forgot to raize the seat after landing, kind of hard to tell from a SCREENSHOT...

Good point, but in many respects it is possible in Il-2 with the adjust-seat position command. however, I don't know how hard it'd be to model this having an effect (visually) on the pilot...and then you need to program it for the AI too and have it affect visability...man it gets complicated.

[MD_Titus]

edit post is your friend.

as for the epilepsy inducing picture, it's two different angles, what appears to be a different mark of hurri, and the pilot is wearing a huge helmet. the underside of the two images doesn't match, and in fact the only bit where they do is on the front canopy frame and mirror. even then, the different height of the camera between the two images renders it pretty useless.

talk about irrelevant.

and that probably counts for most of the last 29 pages.

[Meusli]

Originally Posted by pupaxx

Wake up! Friday is far to come. ...Let's talk about...mmmm HURRY CANOPY!!!
The blinkin pict posted by airmalik at first convinced me the error was in canopy dimension but here is my contribution (another blinkin pict).
there is some difference but less dramatic than you might think.
i focused on canopy area, matching canpoy and wing root. I've no reference to judge the different nose and conseguent mismatch. (different engine for sure).
Cheers

Why are you trying to compare a guy with a modern helmet on and a different model hurricane with a picture at a different angle, model and helmet?

[ChrisDNT]

I just can imagine what will happen here when the Focke comes and when someone will first talk of the b*r !!!!!!!!!!!!

[rga]

Sometimes you guys are just ridiculous.

Somebody tried to compare just pictures to come to a conclusion that Oleg is wrong. Worse, these pictures are from different angle, different distance and with different pilots. I just don't understand how you guys can't figure the simplest solution out: take the manufactory datas of Hurricane, see how high/ how low the seat could be, compare them to the size of "SOW pilot" (which, IIRC, is 175cm high) and come to a conclusion yourselves.

I know not everyone of us have access to those datas. I don't, but Oleg surely does. But, for God sake, whoever doesn't have them, don't try to be an expert and outsmart the ones who know Hurricane "mathematically", not just from a few pictures. Unless someone can show us the right datas and prove that the picture is wrong, the discussion is pretty pointless.

[pupaxx]

Ok forgive me,
I didn't menage to attach the right picture to better explain my arguments, obviusly I compared images/pictures taken in quiet same perspective conditions. I feel ridicolous cause I wasn't able to correctly post with correct attachments, not because I pretended to compare 2 incomparable pictures representing 2 incomparable objects. I would be foul in this attempt.
Moreover, I'm far to 'outsmart' anyone, it's not my hobby. My argument came to a conclusion that Oleg was right (or not so wrong).
Topic closed.
Cheers