Friday 2010-09-03 Dev. update and Discussions

[Chivas]

I believe the pilot is being modeled in combat mode. I know while flying combat I would shrink the size of a walnut behind any piece of armor plating .

[Jumo211]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

well... how can you say it would be more realistic? that looks more hollywood tbh.

i'm guessing to get blood splatter like that you'd be talking either arterial spray or explosive shells removing both tissue and clothing. don't forget pilots wore a lot of clothing and, at least in bob, were usually subject to death by rifle calibre bullets. combine these two factors and bleeding out would be limited to soaking pilot suits, not decorating the inside of the plane like someone has been overly enthusiastic with the ketchup bottle. unless you it's a very specific bullet strike area then there wouldn't be large amounts of blood splatter. and certainly not in such patterns as you've added.

No , no , that picture looks almost funny comparing to reality .
Have you watched " The Fighting Lady " documentary ? , there you can see badly injured WWII U.S. pilot returning and landing on the aircraft carrier deck and look at his canopy , you won't see anything through the blood splatter everywhere all over the glass , how he managed to land that bloody crate is beyond me , they even tell you how that happened .
I will make HD DVD quality video of it tomorrow .
It's the only color footage I know of which shows such devastated blood canopy and pilot is not only alive but also managed to land his plane .
One of the well know Japanese Zero pilot hero in another documentary " Wings of Defeat " is talking about flak exploding close to his cockpit ripping off the whole bottom of his leg , I am sure that must have been wonderful inside cockpit yet he managed to tighting up and choke temporarily leg blood artery and returned for a landing .
Human being is capable of an amazing things in order to survive .

Thank you luthier for nice update , once there is BoB:SoW video available , we will all talk more in detail .

S! HG

[Alien]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

well... how can you say it would be more realistic? that looks more hollywood tbh.

i'm guessing to get blood splatter like that you'd be talking either arterial spray or explosive shells removing both tissue and clothing. don't forget pilots wore a lot of clothing and, at least in bob, were usually subject to death by rifle calibre bullets. combine these two factors and bleeding out would be limited to soaking pilot suits, not decorating the inside of the plane like someone has been overly enthusiastic with the ketchup bottle. unless you it's a very specific bullet strike area then there wouldn't be large amounts of blood splatter. and certainly not in such patterns as you've added.

Sorry I'm a bit late, but this effect would be pretty realistic in RAF's planes which were shot by cannons, or bombers attacked by 19th squadron. Or flak, of course

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Alien

Sorry I'm a bit late, but this effect would be pretty realistic in RAF's planes which were shot by cannons, or bombers attacked by 19th squadron. Or flak, of course

so, basically, pretty much what i said. that he-11 looked to have been attacked by a hurri - rifle calibre bullets. not cannons, not flak. so therefore that blood splatter effect is ott. maybe it would be more similar in a fighter hit by cannons, but then the canopy is a lot closer to the source of splatter. and buzzsaw - yeah, if you took someone's head off it'd make a bit of a mess. apparently the blood vessels in the neck can produce enough pressure to spray 20 odd feet.

19th squadron barely used their cannon spits, due to the unreliability of the early cannons. modelling the blood spatter effect on that would hardly be representative. maybe have different kinds depending on what caused it, but then it seems rather a redundant option if it would prohibit sales by pushing the certification up. the slumped crew works fine for determining if you've hit crew or not.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

so, basically, pretty much what i said. that he-11 looked to have been attacked by a hurri - rifle calibre bullets. not cannons, not flak. so therefore that blood splatter effect is ott. maybe it would be more similar in a fighter hit by cannons, but then the canopy is a lot closer to the source of splatter. and buzzsaw - yeah, if you took someone's head off it'd make a bit of a mess. apparently the blood vessels in the neck can produce enough pressure to spray 20 odd feet.

19th squadron barely used their cannon spits, due to the unreliability of the early cannons. modelling the blood spatter effect on that would hardly be representative. maybe have different kinds depending on what caused it, but then it seems rather a redundant option if it would prohibit sales by pushing the certification up. the slumped crew works fine for determining if you've hit crew or not.

Hmm, .303's at the rate the brownings spat them could still do some messy damage.

But Oleg said, no gore, so maybe we shouldn't talk about it?

[*Buzzsaw*]

This is obviously a little cartoonish, but in fact WWII aerial combat could be pretty gruesome.

'Buzz' Beurling described shooting down an Italian pilot in a Macchi.

"I came right up underneath his tail. I was going faster than he was; about fifty yards behind. I was tending to overshoot. I weaved off to the right, and he looked out to his left. I weaved to the left and he looked out to his right. So, he still didn't know I was there. About this time I closed up to about thirty yards, and I was on his portside coming in at about a fifteen-degree angle. Well, twenty-five to thirty yards in the air looks as if you're right on top of him because there is no background, no perspective there and it looks pretty close. I could see all the details in his face because he turned and looked at me just as I had a bead on him. One of my can shells caught him in the face and blew his head right off. The body slumped and the slipstream caught the neck, the stub of the neck, and the blood streamed down the side of the cockpit. It was a great sight anyway. The red blood down the white fuselage. I must say it gives you a feeling of satisfaction when you actually blow their brains out."

Although he seems to be laughing it off in this quote, in fact Beurling had nightmares about this incident for the remainder of his life, his girlfriends described him waking up screaming in a cold sweat.

[McHilt]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

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This is obviously a little cartoonish, but in fact WWII aerial combat could be pretty gruesome.

'Buzz' Beurling described shooting down an Italian pilot in a Macchi.

Although he seems to be laughing it off in this quote, in fact Beurling had nightmares about this incident for the remainder of his life, his girlfriends described him waking up screaming in a cold sweat.

Why still coming up with the gore thing?????
This thread is about: grass, trees, pilotsize, and scale issues, for your information.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by Redwan

The trees are perfect !!! The grass looks OK but it

And the ‘brutality of war’ would be more realistic like this:

yeah and if the sim looked like that, it would be rated 18+ in most European countries, that would mean a lot of die hard tots that are here and living in Europe would not get the game! Maybe think before asking for Hollywood, although thinking of Hollywoods version of "Pearlharbour" I think I have to look for a paper bag.

[philip.ed]

I don't want gore...but Il-2 did have a gore setting which, in many ways, was quite bloody.

[Stiboo]

Yes the Hurri pilot is too small...but the He111 crew look ok for size ?!

It's my birthday today ( don't all cheer at once..!) I was hoping Oleg would give me a SoW video as a birthday treat!

I only use the HUD view in IL2 so not worried about Luther's threat!!!

Cheers

Simon

aka Stiboo