Nuklear bomb

[katdogfizzow]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

No. Why should I? I've already shown why it wasn't applicable.

Um, no you haven't Nostradamus, but you have shown why it isn't applicable in your own mind:

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

The fact is that neither of us can know for sure what the outcome would have been. This needs to be based on evidence.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

If the Japanese weren't 'ready to surrender', why did they approach the Soviets with an offer which was essentially the same as the one eventually agreed?

To mediate peace on terms favorable to the Japanese.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

No. Why should I? I've already shown why it wasn't applicable.

If the Japanese weren't 'ready to surrender', why did they approach the Soviets with an offer which was essentially the same as the one eventually agreed?

Repeating the same tired arguments doesn't make them any more valid. This 'saving of lives' argument may have seemed plausible at the time, but more recent historical research, (partly assisted by access to previously-classified material) has shown how little real evidence there is to support it.

The fact is that neither of us can know for sure what the outcome would have been without the A-Bombings of Japan, but this doesn't prevent us looking at what we do know about the situation, and making an informed guess. This needs to be based on evidence, not repeated assertions.

Incidentally, a significant proportion of the civilian 'suicides' on Okinawa were actually murders, carried out on military orders by the Japanese forces, on a population they considered 'inferior', and possibly untrustworthy. This would have been unlikely to occur on the mainland, even if they had been in a position to continue fighting. Not that they were...

Just thinking out loud.
When someone kicks in your back door, when your sleeping and kills one of your family ( Pearl Harbor), do you chase them down just so they can be arrested ( Battle of the Pacific) .Or do you crush there skull in when you catch them so they will never ever do that again (NUKE THEM !!!!). Just my 2 cents.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Hunden

Just thinking out loud.
When someone kicks in your back door, when your sleeping and kills one of your family ( Pearl Harbor), do you chase them down just so they can be arrested ( Battle of the Pacific) .Or do you crush there skull in when you catch them so they will never ever do that again (NUKE THEM !!!!). Just my 2 cents.

If you're a criminal of the same level as the attacker you crush his/her skull. If you're a sane person you just get them arrested.
If you kill the attacker his family might crush your skull which then provokes your family to crush one of theirs etcetera. I think this is a silly act as best and sometimes people need to control their actions if they don't want to lower themselves.

Ever heard of Kant's categorical imperative? Interesting read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative

What you're proposing leads to the extinction of mankind and probably the annihilation of earth.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Madfish

If you're a criminal of the same level as the attacker you crush his/her skull. If you're a sane person you just get them arrested.
If you kill the attacker his family might crush your skull which then provokes your family to crush one of theirs etcetera. I think this is a silly act as best and sometimes people need to control their actions if they don't want to lower themselves.

Ever heard of Kant's categorical imperative? Interesting read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative

What you're proposing leads to the extinction of mankind and probably the annihilation of earth.

You must not be from the south side of town. Dont worry about it and go have some ice cream. Hugs and kisses, I think your new name should be cuddlefish. Just kidding dont get all upset.

[Ernst]

Not cool. There is no sportsmanship in dropping a nuclear bomb.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Ernst

Not cool. There is no sportsmanship in dropping a nuclear bomb.

Are you kidding me, I would hate to have you in a fox hole next me crying this is not fair or stop i need a time out. War has nothing to do with sports. LMAO

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Hunden

Are you kidding me, I would hate to have you in a fox hole next me crying this is not fair or stop i need a time out. War has nothing to do with sports. LMAO

Look, his remark about dropping bombs meaning not being a good sport might go beyond what you perceive as modern sports. Aviation is very objective and mission based.

The point is that these weapons are dangerous. They aren't weapons at all to be honest.
What's the next step? Blowing up a whole continent? Destroying Earth? There are science fiction writings about that and in fact we DO have the technology.

Only crazy people fucked up beyond all hope would seriously embrace atomic, chemical, biological, nano or even genetical warfare.

If you have a discussion you need someone to discuss with.
If you have a fight you need someone to actually have a fight with.
If you fight a war you need an enemy to have a war with.
In other words, you need a target, it's no good to blindly kill things. Destroying random targets, plants, animals, civillians, their property etc. or even more; maybe a whole area, a country, a continent, earth. Only totally stupid mindless zombie brains would ever consider something like that.


We are gamers. We shouldn't be talking about stuff like that and have endless political debates over topics that have been researched, forgotten and twisted.
If you really believe in the crap some people here are saying then go out there, get a plane and kill innocent people just because of some "digital opinions".
The point is that this will make you nothing but a murderer and aviation was and is NOT about murdering. These cases are sad, gladly rather rare (although we see more of it in the Irak and Afghanistan again from the US) and should be avoided were possible.

I wouldn't want to play a game where I need to slaughter and kill innocent people, babies, women, elderly people even. This shouldn't be a simulation for criminals but one for people who love flying and seek the competition.

As such I wouldn't like seeing the atomic bombs being used on civilian targets. I don't think there is any excuse for these murderous weapons that could potentially turn earth into a place where no life can exist.
It wouldn't be smart to put them into the game either. This would cause a huge uproar in the media. A game where your objective is to slaughter civillian life would also be banned here in Germany anyways, for good reasons actually.

Just because mass murder, rape and other cruelties happend in wars it doesn't mean they are legitimate.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Hunden

Just thinking out loud.
When someone kicks in your back door, when your sleeping and kills one of your family ( Pearl Harbor), do you chase them down just so they can be arrested ( Battle of the Pacific) .Or do you crush there skull in when you catch them so they will never ever do that again (NUKE THEM !!!!). Just my 2 cents.

Double tap or Mozambique depending on their physical constitution

True answer is you render them incapable of attacking you again.

....which is why the Allies did not accept the conditions for surrender proposed by Japan. They were going to be occupied and they were going to give up the land they had taken. Nothing less and rightly so.

Splitter