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[Chivas]

Originally Posted by hellbomber

if my plane shakes like that while im flying someone is going to get murderd, thats BS

Its called pulling G's.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Its called pulling G's.

Actualy I think its called "Pilot Cam". The effect is what you would get from a video camera planted in the middle of the pilots face. Pretty sure no pilot in the Battle of Britain ever had his eyes replaced with video cameras, so it is completly unrealistic BS like he says.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

Actualy I think its called "Pilot Cam". The effect is what you would get from a video camera planted in the middle of the pilots face. Pretty sure no pilot in the Battle of Britain ever had his eyes replaced with video cameras, so it is completly unrealistic BS like he says.

Since SoW will feature winds, buffeting, wind gusts etc... I advise you to re-think your statement.

Wind changes around around Dover cliffs are something to think about alone. How would you simulate strong wind at your 6 OC and sudden loss of lift? Surely the cockpit wouldn't shake and it would feel as if you were flying on a cloud or should I say pillow. Anyone who has ever experienced landing in bad weather knows what I mean.

And mind you - this is heavy maneuvering featured in the video.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

Actualy I think its called "Pilot Cam". The effect is what you would get from a video camera planted in the middle of the pilots face. Pretty sure no pilot in the Battle of Britain ever had his eyes replaced with video cameras, so it is completly unrealistic BS like he says.

Not BS, this is the effect of G's on the airframe, but your eyes will compensate for the shake watching the monitor, just as the pilots eyes did in his shaking airframe. lol

[winny]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

Actualy I think its called "Pilot Cam". The effect is what you would get from a video camera planted in the middle of the pilots face. Pretty sure no pilot in the Battle of Britain ever had his eyes replaced with video cameras, so it is completly unrealistic BS like he says.

Unrealistic? Really? It was actually the part of the video that I was most impressed with. It seems like a better solution than having a 'fixed' POV that's (to use your analogy) like having a camera on a tripod. Obviously the game needs a 'camera' otherwise you wouldn't be able to see and having one stuck to the pilots face seems like the best place for it. As for the real BoB pilots not having cameras stuck to thier faces; They didn't need to because they had eyes. Is flyby view therefore not needed as it's unrealistic? And god knows how all those BoB pilots had room in the cockpit to use thier mouse.. Is there a mouse mat in that spit cockpit?

This forum never ceases to amaze me with what people will complain about.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by winny

Unrealistic? Really? It was actually the part of the video that I was most impressed with. It seems like a better solution than having a 'fixed' POV that's (to use your analogy) like having a camera on a tripod. Obviously the game needs a 'camera' otherwise you wouldn't be able to see and having one stuck to the pilots face seems like the best place for it. As for the real BoB pilots not having cameras stuck to thier faces; They didn't need to because they had eyes. Is flyby view therefore not needed as it's unrealistic? And god knows how all those BoB pilots had room in the cockpit to use thier mouse.. Is there a mouse mat in that spit cockpit?

This forum never ceases to amaze me with what people will complain about.

If it's not trees, it's tracers or fire... or video cameras if that is the fashionable thing to discuss

Welcome to IL-2 forums. It's been like this since 2001!

[winny]

Originally Posted by IceFire

If it's not trees, it's tracers or fire... or video cameras if that is the fashionable thing to discuss

Welcome to IL-2 forums. It's been like this since 2001!

The 'trees' thread is a personal favourite of mine..

Thanks, been lurking for a while and am actually a Birds of Prey (PS3.. don't laugh!) player who's waiting for SOW as an excuse to buy a good PC (come on Oleg!).

I come here specifically for the SoW bashing.. it's funny.

[philip.ed]

Meh, I think the environmental aspects are really important to the game; if you live and have flown over blighty, seeing envronmental pieces that looks wrong can ruin the immersion a bit. But let's not split hairs; one persons meat is anothers poison.

Personally, I don't care about what the camera is like. Either way when flying a sim on the PC you are at a disadvantage to real life where you have periphieral vision. It really makes a big difference.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by winny

Unrealistic? Really? It was actually the part of the video that I was most impressed with. It seems like a better solution than having a 'fixed' POV that's (to use your analogy) like having a camera on a tripod. Obviously the game needs a 'camera' otherwise you wouldn't be able to see and having one stuck to the pilots face seems like the best place for it. As for the real BoB pilots not having cameras stuck to thier faces; They didn't need to because they had eyes. Is flyby view therefore not needed as it's unrealistic? And god knows how all those BoB pilots had room in the cockpit to use thier mouse.. Is there a mouse mat in that spit cockpit?

This forum never ceases to amaze me with what people will complain about.

lol, I'm not complaining winny, I was just saying the guy had a point. The head movement under Gs is fine its the shaking he didn't like.

Also I think you'd be supprised how far some people go to get realism in their flight sims, going as far as to build themselves a cockpit. I'm not one of these people but I believe the sim should cater for everyone. Some people seem to like the effect of flying by camera as if by remote control with all the shaking, other people want to believe they are actually there strapped into the cockpit using their eyes and their moniter/s are just panes of glass infront of them. For this you would want a lot less of the vibration effect. A better way to simulate VERY heavy vibration would be to make it more like a very fast but stable humming movement and a loss of focus, than a big shaking. As someone else once mentioned if the loose objects in the cockpit like the strap above the gunsight moved that would give another visual sign of vibration and G force.

Again, I'm not complaining. I know this is all WIP stuff, as I'm sure do most people here.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

lol, I'm not complaining winny, I was just saying the guy had a point. The head movement under Gs is fine its the shaking he didn't like.

Also I think you'd be supprised how far some people go to get realism in their flight sims, going as far as to build themselves a cockpit. I'm not one of these people but I believe the sim should cater for everyone. Some people seem to like the effect of flying by camera as if by remote control with all the shaking, other people want to believe they are actually there strapped into the cockpit using their eyes and their moniter/s are just panes of glass infront of them. For this you would want a lot less of the vibration effect. A better way to simulate VERY heavy vibration would be to make it more like a very fast but stable humming movement and a loss of focus, than a big shaking. As someone else once mentioned if the loose objects in the cockpit like the strap above the gunsight moved that would give another visual sign of vibration and G force.

Again, I'm not complaining. I know this is all WIP stuff, as I'm sure do most people here.

Fair point. So let's have an option for it then? I don't like the whole I don't want this, I don't want that argument.. these people should be asking for an option to turn it off. Then when this game finally appears you can sit in a lobbyfull of people who agree 100% with you about how the game should be played.


If Da Vinci had had a load of people standing over his shoulder whilst he was painting the mona lisa, all moaning and saying change this and change that then that painting would have been sh*t.
I've seen how personally Oleg takes SoW and when you're working on your masterpiece there's only you who knows where the final brush stroke is, when is your masterpiece finished.. Cut the guy some slack and trust him to produce the best sim that he can.

Sorry got carried away.