Question Regarding Grumman Lawsuit

[baronWastelan]

I am also talking about rendered (drawn) images. If the drawings are copying a design, and sold for money, then the owner of the design has a potential copyright claim for compensation. It's an extremely complex subject and usually the artist doesn't get sued, but the rights always exist even if the owner of the copied design doesn't exercise them. I also am of the opinion that Ubi could have avoided the problem with N-G by simply omitting the words "Grumman", "Hellcat", & "Wildcat". It's all hindsight now, but in this sort of case that's all you ever have.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

I am also talking about rendered (drawn) images. If the drawings are copying a design, and sold for money, then the owner of the design has a potential copyright claim for compensation. It's an extremely complex subject and usually the artist doesn't get sued, but the rights always exist even if the owner of the copied design doesn't exercise them. I also am of the opinion that Ubi could have avoided the problem with N-G by simply omitting the words "Grumman", "Hellcat", & "Wildcat". It's all hindsight now, but in this sort of case that's all you ever have.

I'm talking about rendered images, Baron... like this http://www.aviationartprints.com/spi...r_aircraft.htm

"government works", seem to be outside the copyright sphere and at the end of the day, they're the ones who coughed up the bucks making them the employer/ owner/ principal contractor/ whatevva you want to call it.

... and a derivative work based on works in the public domain, don't attract copyright infringement

[ZaltysZ]

All these intellectual property laws are very confusing not only to ordinary people, but to ordinary lawyers too. It would be interesting to hear opinion of lawyer specializing in this area. In example, it would be nice to know what laws and what parts of them exactly covers this "Grumman thingy".

So far, I am only sure about trademark law, which prohibits using Grumman name, logo or their product names without their permission. Plane shape should be covered by design patent (?), but its term is relatively short (around 20 years) and should be expired by now.

[Ctrl E]

can we put together a petition to grumman? circulate it to all the modding sites and gather as many names as we can?

Something like:

We the undersigned are great fans of Grumman aircraft and would dearly love to see historic Grumman aircraft included in any future ad-ons of Storm Of War. Unfortunately Grumman copyright demands at present make this impossible. We feel Storm of War is a great educational tool and if Grumman were to lift its restrictons new generations would learn of the role Grumman played in fighting for freedom.

[csThor]

Pointless. The people who are responsible for that mess live in a world of economical gibberish, numbers and balance sheets. History or emotional values are meaningless to them.

[Wolf_Rider]

One notable Avenger pilot was future American President George H. W. Bush, flying a TBM Avenger off the light aircraft carrier USS San Jacinto (CVL-30) in 1944.

[Ctrl E]

Originally Posted by csThor

Pointless. The people who are responsible for that mess live in a world of economical gibberish, numbers and balance sheets. History or emotional values are meaningless to them.

disagree. you can always make an argument. never know your luck in the big city.

[mazex]

Thinking of it - lets hope the remnants of Messerschmitt don't get bought by N-G. Then they will sue my ass badly for my avatar...

Fortunately for me the Messerschmitt brand seems to be owned by Daimler-Benz Aerospace and DB don't talk to much about their wartime efforts, or spend time on chasing small guys for pocket money like that...