several questions!

[olife]

Originally Posted by Dementia_Seven

Hi there everyone. i play il 2 bob (ps3) since it came out and i have never played some realistic ww2 flight-simulators bevore. First i have to thank the player gordanembru for introducing me into the simulator mode. Thank u!!!

During my playing i unlooked all planes and flew them all till i get to the point that there must be something wrong with the ally-planes. i spend hours of reading through technical reports from professionell sites of the playable planes and was wondering about it totally. so an spitfire was developed bevore a foker 190 but in the game foker got no chance against the spit. why should a older plane be better? for real an equivalent plane to the foker is a yak but the difference in the game is a spit is better than both!!! that would not be bad but the spit reach nearly the same motor power in the game so u got no chance to fly away. the only way to win against an ally-plane when ur flying a german one is to hope there is a noob on the stick but if there is a pro your chances raise to a minimum. it is no advantage to gave the german planes a better weaponary cause that means to much weight for the aircrafts and make them turn just bad.

remember the la5 got a less better cornering than the spit!
1. Why are the ally planes so overrated???
it is unfair! i wont like to use the me-rocket all the time to breake away.

next question...

Why the developers decided to make every mission to a sloughtery of german bfs and fokers??? i´m german and for me it was not understandable how unreal the singel player mode is. there is a mission in which the german 109 planes get shot by a horde of I-16 type 24. that is a bad joke and must be far away from reality! of one german plane came mostly two or three opponents. in every mission u got hundrets of ally planes on the map but there where just a couple of germans who could defend itselfs. Mostly the AI is so stupid it is not funny anymore. so i guessed that the developers are real racists.

and third...

the pc players got a add-on for thier wings of prey called luftwaffe or something. it costs 15bugs or something. the pc-version WOP is about 30bugs. Now remember i payed 50 euro for the console BOB!!! i would love to fly luftwaffe in the singlemissions on my ps3. even the nintendo ds players of that game had one choice.

Why there wont be a add-on for the consoleros who had payed more for only a incomplete game???

to the last one...

the only bomber i have to unlook is the b17. i read about that u should win 30 online strike games on any bomber to get it. now my question is. i unlooked fw190f-8 which carrys bombs. would that plane be declared as a bomber if i equip the bombs??? or did i have to use planes which where only for bombing good like ag20 or arado???

thank u for reading and please do not take my english orthography so serious.

hello,

i think the technicals performances of the planes of the game are similar to the real planes but it is exact,in my opinion,to say that the fw 190 series (and p51's)are really devalued.if the spit mk 9 in the real ww2 can fight and win versus a fw190 (and not easy for sure)the spit mk 2 had totaly no chance to win,but in the game u can !easy!!!mmmm...the fw190 was the nightmare of the allied pilots during ww2,it was totally better than the spit 5...the fw190's nickname was "butcher bird",the spit 9 can fight against the 190 with a chance to win ,i must say it was 50/50 in my opinion.
the russians planes are not outclassed in my opinion,during ww2,the germans pilots said the russians fighters were very manoeuvrable.
i don't think the devs are racists and we must say to them A GREAT THANKS to give us the only one good sim planes game of the ps3,it is just a game with a big qualities and we can pardon a few mistakes.

[Drvn1]

I too am dissapointed in the P-51, everyone is.. However another variable that really matters in the altitude at which we fly.. The russian planes would dominate at these heights in real life.. The Germans had orders not to engage in a dogfight with the Yak 3.. The P-51 was great up high and etc... I would like for the P 47 to not have to be bought

[winny]

Initially when you play this online you can't really compete in Realistic or Sim unless ur in a Hurricane or a Spit or an LA-7. You can be competitive in most of the 109's and the 190's as long as you dont get into a turning battle with people because that could get messy.

The marks of Spitfire don't help because Mark V spitfires should be there and not the XVI.. It's basically the same as the IX so you've got 2 versions of the 'best' spitfire. 190's dominated Mk V spits and IX's dominated the fw's.. (generally). The F-4 is a lovley dogfighter but it's lack of armour means you only need a short burst and it's instantly unflyable..

I hate to agree with gorden, but the dive speeds do seem wrong and as diving was the main way 109's and 190's evaded being shot down, you can't really do it online as you never have really have the altitude to get far enough away for it to be usefull.

For a console game I'd say it was pretty accurate, It's got flaws but all the really good pilots on here do well in whatever they fly.

[kjwright]

Originally Posted by winny

Initially when you play this online you can't really compete in Realistic or Sim unless ur in a Hurricane or a Spit or an LA-7. You can be competitive in most of the 109's and the 190's as long as you dont get into a turning battle with people because that could get messy.

I beg to differ good sir. Ive seen and have been competitive In both the P51 and P47. It all comes down to settings on your controller. Also I prefer the BF109F-4 for the same reasons real life pilots like Gunther Rall did. And that is the extra Weapons and armor make the g-models sluggish. But I have to give Demetia this and that the 190 should be able to turn a hell of alot better then it does.

[bobbysocks]

kjwright....if you have been competitive in a P 51 then i really want you to mentor me! if you look at my sig you will see it is where my heart lays....but no matter what setting i choose it is a spinning POC below 5 grand at speeds it should never have stalled at no matter what the settings. it is my understanding they ( the settings) were loaded for an ac with drop tanks ( full)...so that would account for the crappy performance. but if you are terrorizing the skies in a 'stang....buddy i am your willing student. teach me.

[Dementia_Seven]

ok thank you for ur reply

lets go to the elevator settings if it was so important. i guess it just keeps you from turning the plane to hard and make the whole thing unstable. normal spit gets 5 fields minus maximum and a bf109 three

someone told me online a silver mustang needs 6 klicks minus maximm but i cant control the plane real good as bevore. could u help??? whe i move into o loop and make a bit of rudder at the top to purchase my enemy it mostly spinns out. the elevator 5-6 klicks even with the foker wulfs, how should i set the elevator?

And i have to say the foker wulf ta152 was given us for free and it flys like that. but if you read the rare reports of that plane at the end of the war you will find out that this mashine rescue the lives of thier pilots through the lasst days of ww2. in the reports is written than it could turn perfectly in the sky and so on. why did the developers made such a joke out of that plane?

thanks for reading...

[kjwright]

Originally Posted by bobbysocks

kjwright....if you have been competitive in a P 51 then i really want you to mentor me! if you look at my sig you will see it is where my heart lays....but no matter what setting i choose it is a spinning POC below 5 grand at speeds it should never have stalled at no matter what the settings. it is my understanding they ( the settings) were loaded for an ac with drop tanks ( full)...so that would account for the crappy performance. but if you are terrorizing the skies in a 'stang....buddy i am your willing student. teach me.

I usally set the setting 1 click more then half way. now every now and then i may finish 1st or 2nd usally im atleast in the top 5. and i go based off the principles set in ww1. maainly attacking with height advantage. Cause thats how most pilots got kills was do to the fact that the enemy didnt know they were their until it was to late. and with the .50cals you have to get top of fuselage and the cockpit. i usually throttle back when i feel they are gonna make a turn or go vertical then pull up after them and drift the bullets down into the cockpit or go for the wing tips. when being chased i go as low as possible and keep turning, make the other guy worry about crashing just never stay in straight line. Now im not a expert but im grasping the lack of cannon issues and doin well. my first team battle in sim i got compliments for even with me in a P47 i got 8 kills

[Dementia_Seven]

the foker wulf ta152 was given us for free and it flys like that. but if you read the rare reports of that plane at the end of the war you will find out that this mashine rescue the lives of thier pilots through the lasst days of ww2. in the reports is written than it could turn perfectly in the sky and so on. why did the developers made such a joke out of that plane?

is there any threat for elevatorsettings to set all planes right in sim mode?

so please Soviet Ace: i guess the la`s got wingguns! please correct me if i´m wrong about this.

and i got another question: the wep or how its called is an extra injection of fuel ore something. every plane got onother wep energy and time in the real life. why is the wep-time in arcade so short and in sim mode u can use it all the time? i guess in arcade u should not fly so fast unlimited but why could u use it unlimited in sim?

thx for reading

[winny]

Originally Posted by kjwright

I beg to differ good sir. Ive seen and have been competitive In both the P51 and P47. It all comes down to settings on your controller. Also I prefer the BF109F-4 for the same reasons real life pilots like Gunther Rall did. And that is the extra Weapons and armor make the g-models sluggish. But I have to give Demetia this and that the 190 should be able to turn a hell of alot better then it does.

I meant when you first play it online. Like I said the good pilots can be competieive in pretty much any type.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by kjwright

I beg to differ good sir. Ive seen and have been competitive In both the P51 and P47. It all comes down to settings on your controller. Also I prefer the BF109F-4 for the same reasons real life pilots like Gunther Rall did. And that is the extra Weapons and armor make the g-models sluggish. But I have to give Demetia this and that the 190 should be able to turn a hell of alot better then it does.

Turning a Thunderbolt or Mustang in a fur-ball is going to get you dead no matter what you do with the settings. Turning fights are what the majority of people do in this game and I would say 99% of new players rely on very quick turn rate. so really what winny says is true. The La-7 in my opinion is the "newb plane" as some whould say.

I agree you can be competitive in the P-47 and 51 but it is MUCH more difficult and recomended only for experts. Also The 190F is my favourite 109 for the same reason, it was a dogfighter unlike the later 109s that were more bomber destroyers.