Friday 2010-07-09 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[philip.ed]

I know what you mean about WoP's filter, but take RoF...if it had hedgerows it could look photographic. From what Oleg said, this is meant to look photographic, but I don't think those trees look bery good at the 'mo.

[hed]

Nice pictures, Oleg!

Btw, what do you think about "outerra project". They have very good looking engine for seamless planet rendering from space down to the surface.

Example is here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/lhrabcak.../0/TVjCetERjN8

[johnnypfft]

Time lapse movie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAvVIv5mAI

The fire looks excellent!!

[Dano]

Originally Posted by hed

Nice pictures, Oleg!

Btw, what do you think about "outerra project". They have very good looking engine for seamless planet rendering from space down to the surface.

Example is here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/lhrabcak.../0/TVjCetERjN8

Oleg has already made comments on it in last weeks update thread.

[choctaw111]

Oleg, are the atmospheric conditions being done in 1940 standards?
What I mean to say is that there was a lot less air pollution back then.
I also wanted to say that so many elements are being so well done are really coming together to make something unprecedented and truly extraordinary

[brando]

Originally Posted by choctaw111

Oleg, are the atmospheric conditions being done in 1940 standards?
What I mean to say is that there was a lot less air pollution back then.
I also wanted to say that so many elements are being so well done are really coming together to make something unprecedented and truly extraordinary

"...a lot less air pollution back then."

I'm sure that's not correct.
The first half of the twentieth century was all coal-fired - industry, transport, domestic - everything came from the burning of massive amounts of coal. Electricity was generated by coal burning power-stations, and 'house' gas was a by-product of coke production. (no, not that type of coke! ) Just the daily burning of coal in houses in , say, London created an incredible amount of air pollution. In certain atmospheric conditions London was subjected to heavy 'smog' (literally, smoke and fog) which caused a large number of deaths every year, leading eventually to the Clean Air Act which outlawed the use of coal in London. That came two decades after 1940 however, and the pollution of the time was increased by the need to produce more power, use more trains, and run more factories when war broke out.
The atmosphere over Britain was thick with the carbon particles that coal-burning churns out.

B

[choctaw111]

Originally Posted by brando

"...a lot less air pollution back then."

I'm sure that's not correct.
The first half of the twentieth century was all coal-fired - industry, transport, domestic - everything came from the burning of massive amounts of coal. Electricity was generated by coal burning power-stations, and 'house' gas was a by-product of coke production. (no, not that type of coke! ) Just the daily burning of coal in houses in , say, London created an incredible amount of air pollution. In certain atmospheric conditions London was subjected to heavy 'smog' (literally, smoke and fog) which caused a large number of deaths every year, leading eventually to the Clean Air Act which outlawed the use of coal in London. That came two decades after 1940 however, and the pollution of the time was increased by the need to produce more power, use more trains, and run more factories when war broke out.
The atmosphere over Britain was thick with the carbon particles that coal-burning churns out.

B

That is very interesting.
What about the overall pollution over rural areas? Would this have been worse back then as well?
I am only asking as I have seen photos of mountain ranges (in the US) from the 1940's and compared them to the same view today.
The view from 70 years ago is much more clear.

[Il2Pongo]

Originally Posted by choctaw111

That is very interesting.
What about the overall pollution over rural areas? Would this have been worse back then as well?
I am only asking as I have seen photos of mountain ranges (in the US) from the 1940's and compared them to the same view today.
The view from 70 years ago is much more clear.

You realize that the rocky mountains of the US were pretty much deserted at that time vs the south of england right? Your using an example of one of the(at that time) least industrialized areas of the world with one of the most industrialized areas of the world.

"London


Victorian London was notorious for its thick smogs, or "pea-soupers", a fact that is often recreated to add an air of mystery to a period costume drama
In 1306, concerns over air pollution were sufficient for Edward I to (briefly) ban coal fires in London.[11] In 1661, John Evelyn's Fumifugium suggested burning fragrant wood instead of mineral coal, which he believed would reduce coughing. The Ballad of Gresham College the same year describes how the smoke "does our lungs and spirits choke, Our hanging spoil, and rust our iron."
Severe episodes of smog continued in the 19th and 20th centuries and were nicknamed "pea-soupers". The Great Smog of 1952 darkened the streets of London and killed approximately 4,000 people in the short time of 4 days (a further 8,000[12] died from its effects in the following weeks and months). Initially a flu epidemic was blamed for the loss of life. "

[Hatch]

Originally Posted by choctaw111

Oleg, are the atmospheric conditions being done in 1940 standards?
What I mean to say is that there was a lot less air pollution back then.
I also wanted to say that so many elements are being so well done are really coming together to make something unprecedented and truly extraordinary

London at least was know for it's smog.
Don't know too much about wartime years but air quality now might even be better than it was in the past.

Anyone have any idea?