Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[AKA_Tenn]

there's no computer on-board these old planes that can adjust your trim based on what your airspeed is, the trim is manually controlled, and anyone who knows how these planes were designed to work understands that the faster you go, the more lift u get, so the more trim you need to apply, there's no way the plane, being 100% seat-of-pants, no automatic controls, could know how much trim to apply no matter what speed your going, so you need to do it yourself.

[janpitor]

Originally Posted by AKA_Tenn

there's no computer on-board these old planes that can adjust your trim based on what your airspeed is, the trim is manually controlled, and anyone who knows how these planes were designed to work understands that the faster you go, the more lift u get, so the more trim you need to apply, there's no way the plane, being 100% seat-of-pants, no automatic controls, could know how much trim to apply no matter what speed your going, so you need to do it yourself.

By reference to black shark I meant only that the press of a button would set the current position of elevator as no force position, so that when I let the stick immediately to the neutral position, the plane will not pull up but fly as few seconds before. No automation. I have CPL/IR and I must say that the way it is now is rather realistic, but if you are using only keyboard presses, it takes much longer time to trim than in RL, when you know the plane you are flying.

[Wildnoob]

Originally Posted by janpitor

By reference to black shark I meant only that the press of a button would set the current position of elevator as no force position, so that when I let the stick immediately to the neutral position, the plane will not pull up but fly as few seconds before. No automation. I have CPL/IR and I must say that the way it is now is rather realistic, but if you are using only keyboard presses, it takes much longer time to trim than in RL, when you know the plane you are flying.

Exactly what I was thinking.

[AndyJWest]

In aircraft of the period you had to adjust the trim manually to get 'hands off' flight. The sim is the same. Automatic trim adjustment at the push of a button would be unrealistic.

Also, the rate at which trim can be applied is deliberately limited in the sim, as in early versions, people were using 'trim on a slider' to enhance manouverability. Yes, out-of-trim flight makes dogfighting difficult, but everyone has the same problems...

[janpitor]

You dont get my point...if i have sliding trim, I can move it quickly to an approximately trimmed position, because I know how much force I have on the stick and I´m used to the trimming system. Here in il2 if you dont have axis for trim, it takes longer time to hold the button. maybe it would be better to have increments...like I could estimate I will need five presses of a button. That would be also realistic and quicker

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

In aircraft of the period you had to adjust the trim manually to get 'hands off' flight. The sim is the same. Automatic trim adjustment at the push of a button would be unrealistic.

Also, the rate at which trim can be applied is deliberately limited in the sim, as in early versions, people were using 'trim on a slider' to enhance manouverability. Yes, out-of-trim flight makes dogfighting difficult, but everyone has the same problems...

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by janpitor

.... Here in il2 if you dont have axis for trim, it takes longer time to hold the button. maybe it would be better to have increments...like I could estimate I will need five presses of a button. That would be also realistic and quicker

If you have IL-2 set up to use the keyboard for trim, it should work that way anyway. Pressing a key repeatedly is the best way to move trim to a known position, e.g. for takeoff. Holding it down is very hit-and-miss except in the rare cases where the aircraft has a working trim position indicator, like the Mosquito (all axes) or the Spitfire (elevator only) for example.

[janpitor]

I didnt know it works also this way. Thanks