Friday 2010-07-02 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

It gets complex. As can be seen in my post, I haven't said it is completely inaccurate, but to this degree I think it is. Obviously getting evverything 100% realistic will be hard in this category, as so many things can happen when an aircraft gets hit. With this amount of smoke, from guncam clips I have seen, it usually comes out of an aircraft for less than one-second before being replaced by smoke which is a lot smaller in comparison. to any degree, a military aviator from these times would surely be taking modern jets into account(?) which are totally different from these old war-birds.

What about this?

Stuka in flame and smoke. How it is fixed on the BW panchromatic film of that time I really well know that to trasfer it to the colors and dencity.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

What about this?

Stuka in flame and smoke. How it is fixed on the BW panchromatic film of that time I really well know that to trasfer it to the colors and dencity.

Yep, this photo shows one of the times when lots of burning oil (or something like that) comes out of the plane and ignites in a really violent way. It is, however, not a continuous process...or at least in footage I have seen I have never seen this be continually coming out of the plane.

It is a funny thing though modelling this, as so many different films from the period show different damage effects.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Yep, this photo shows one of the times when lots of burning oil (or something like that) comes out of the plane and ignites in a really violent way. It is, however, not a continuous process...or at least in footage I have seen I have never seen this be continually coming out of the plane.

It is a funny thing though modelling this, as so many different films from the period show different damage effects.

This isn't really oil. The oil flame isn't so great in size and really produce more less smoke in air with the amount of burning oil in aircraft. It is fuel. Sample: Just try to take a big floor-cloth, then pover over by the car fuel... aproximum 1 liter should be inside the floor-cloth. This will emulate a bit the fuel in a protected tank with the hole of explosion. Now burn it in air (using some long cane that to damage yourself). See the flame and smoke. However the bad thing that modern car fuel isn't so bad... and produce way less smoke. Anyway, the sample for you will be good.....

Then take bycicle oil in a portion of 1/100-1/300 of a liter. Make then the same procedue like above with this amount of oil - that will emulate the proportion of oil comparing to the amount of fuel in aircraft.

Now compare results.

Hope you wont make it in reality, because it is dangerous... but maybe this simple explanation with my poor english will be enough.

[jocko417]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

What about this?

Stuka in flame and smoke. How it is fixed on the BW panchromatic film of that time I really well know that to trasfer it to the colors and dencity.

Isn't there a difference between how light is captured on film and how the human eye processes it? How it looks in a photo may be more dramatic than how someone there at the time may have personally seen it?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by jocko417

Isn't there a difference between how light is captured on film and how the human eye processes it? How it looks in a photo may be more dramatic than how someone there at the time may have personally seen it?

There is a fair amount of colour footage available from the period, so this is a good source