Friday 2010-07-02 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

Have to agree about the smoke. Looks more Hollywood or early AAA than the real thing. Certainly understand that it is beta however. The flak looks very much like a commonly used photoshop brush though.

Smoke looking different at diferent speed. It is wider more close to the plane when the speed is small. And it is not wide for a long distance when the speed is high.
Smae with the leght of flame.

Explosions are not from samples of photoshop
They are done researching a lot of different chronicles of 1939-41 years

Same was with Il-2... Do you thing that "red" tint and form of explosions for russian AA shells are wrong there? Hmm, than you all should read german pilots recalls how they were looking - "tomaten" - color was imposible to restore from the films of that era for us... just image (and not like these that are now on shots). Howere reading some recalls and the show them real pilots we got looking it close to that type of explosions. Even the form of the explosion cloud was different for different types of shells and regions of battles during of WWII.
We currently will have such types as it was possible to recognize in the films of that time.

On the shots are not visible very short time flame explosive at the very first movement of the full air explosion animation. However it is.

[csThor]

Yeah, the soviet AAA was informally known as "Tomatenhändler" (tomato dealers) to the Luftwaffe crews.

[pupaxx]

Hi Oleg, well done again!
My previous post in occasion of 2010 06 26 dev update was....

Thanks for your hard work Oleg,
I'm sure the final product will repay you for your efforts.
my question is: in the realization of SOW have you ever considered to implement and facilitate your job with 3rd party 3d engine? I post this link related to a 3d planetary engine found on the net, it seem interesting
http://outerra.com/
what is your opinion?.
Cheers

I would like to know your comment.
Thank you

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by pupaxx

Hi Oleg, well done again!
My previous post in occasion of 2010 06 26 dev update was....

Thanks for your hard work Oleg,
I'm sure the final product will repay you for your efforts.
my question is: in the realization of SOW have you ever considered to implement and facilitate your job with 3rd party 3d engine? I post this link related to a 3d planetary engine found on the net, it seem interesting
http://outerra.com/
what is your opinion?.
Cheers

I would like to know your comment.
Thank you

Usually engine means everything from terrain to the features of AI.
But this one offers just several intersting things of hundreds that should be really done for a combat flight sim.

So... if we want to get real combat sim with a long life on the market, comparable with life of Il-2 or even longer, we need to make own engine. Engine here means not only the feature to render ligth and 3D objects, but everything... and everything for using of third party with special tools.
Really... we have way more complex system.

Another thing - it is possible to render the great looking and superb detailed earth... then nothing have with the AI, FM, physics of explosions and car movement (I don't speak about a lot of details we model inside the aircraft.... - that is system that should work all at once.

The graphics render and its presentation in a game is just a small part of the whole sim engine.

Hope you understand my explanation.


For more simple sample: there is very good Unreal engine... but it is completely impossible to use for other types of the games without very seriuos limits. And many things there simply is impossible to implement or change as we may need to have for the fligth sim.


Another sample. it is possible to use third party 3d render engine, hovewer probabaly just for fully arcade games.

finally for understanding of my explanation: the other code part than the 3D representation of terrain and sky is way more complex in our sim comparing to that part....


BTW: Really nice engine shown by a link.

[David603]

I am very interested by this picture. Are all these Blenhiem's flying in formation, or is this several formations flying close together, as can be done with the 4 aircraft formations in Il2?

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by David603

I am very interested by this picture. Are all these Blenhiem's flying in formation, or is this several formations flying close together, as can be done with the 4 aircraft formations in Il2?

There are possible various.

here is fomations. Shot is done by tele-zoom that would bring closer background (aircft on the background).

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

There are possible various.

here is fomations. Shot is done by tele-zoom that would bring closer background (aircft on the background).

Uhmm, i dont understand well your answer, but since i´m also very interested on the question made i refrase the question.

I beleive David asked if its a single flight of 12 bombers, or if its three flights of four bombers?. He ask if you can now increase the number of planes of a single flight, insted of having a limit of four planes per flight like we do have now in IL-2?

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by ECV56_Lancelot

Uhmm, i dont understand well your answer, but since i´m also very interested on the question made i refrase the question.

I beleive David asked if its a single flight of 12 bombers, or if its three flights of four bombers?. He ask if you can now increase the number of planes of a single flight, insted of having a limit of four planes per flight like we do have now in IL-2?

We have many types of formations. the amount in one formation may depends of historical setting. In general currently AI engine in that part of code support up to 40 aircraft in one formation. In future we may change it for more if neccessary.
Inside the one big formation we may have different types of small formations (don't know how to say it right in English).

Enough said for now... too early to open all playing cards

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

We have many types of formations. the amount in one formation may depends of historical setting. In general currently AI engine in that part of code support up to 40 aircraft in one formation. In future we may change it for more if neccessary.
Inside the one big formation we may have different types of small formations (don't know how to say it right in English).

Enough said for now... too early to open all playing cards

This clarify a lot. For what i understand, now on the FMB we can put in a single flight up to 40 aircraft, and the aircrafts will automatically separate in diferent types of formations.

[Oleg Maddox]

Originally Posted by ECV56_Lancelot

This clarify a lot. For what i understand, now on the FMB we can put in a single flight up to 40 aircraft, and the aircrafts will automatically separate in diferent types of formations.

Something like this