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06-12-2010, 12:06 AM
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hmm ? Of course they where ...
HEAT was pretty rare at any time with any vehicle. Usualy the Panzer IV e would not carry more then eventualy 4 or 5. Same for the Stug with a short gun. The Sherman 75 received a few as well and probably many other tanks if they have been available. Most guns used at least till 1940/41 simple AP penetrators which have been usualy steel. A few guns like the 2pf or was it 6pf ? used APDS or APCR. ~ It seems the 6 pounder received a few special shells: Initially the anti-tank ammunition was represented by a basic Armour-Piercing (AP) shot, but by January 1943 an Armour-Piercing, Capped (APC) shot and an Armour-Piercing, Capped, Ballistically Capped (APCBC) shots were supplied. A HE shell was produced so that the gun could be used against unarmoured targets as well. Thats what I could get from wikipeda. I had better pages but cant find them anymore. Anyway but I think the APCR really started to apear with the germans on the Panzer III in relation with the upguned Panzer III F or G eventualy which used the 5 cm gun now. But I am not sure. I would have to look deeper in it. But its definetly fact that HEAT shells have been always quite rare and many tanks didnt even got them ~ like the Panther. Particularly in the begining the understanding of HEAT and Shaped charges was not complet. So making them was quite difficult compared to usual AP shells. many times the HEAT shells have been used later to give guns of smaller caliber a increase in penetration that was in no relation to the used caliber as you could achieve that way much more penetration then with a usual AP shell of that size. THere have been also for example attempts to develop some kind of "rifle grenade" for weapons like the 3,7-cm Pak 35/36 to increase their power without developing a completely new weapon as with the start of the war the 37mm guns proved to be pretty useless ~ many times those weapons would have been give for example to troops of other nations which served either in the Wehrmacht or as support to the German Army like the Romanian divisions for example. But even this improvements proved to be of lidle value and served as nothing more then desperate attempts as they could not replace a larger gun like the Pak40/41,43 or even a tank. 
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#3
06-12-2010, 01:20 AM
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Try SP on Hard, and look for any difference.
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#4
08-26-2010, 01:24 PM
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So, nobody made a mod yet to fix the retarded penetration values for many guns in this game? I'm tired how may Pz II's I've lost to .50 cal penetrations from the front (if you wan't a laser guided weapon in this, game get the quad .50 cal AA: instantly kills infantry, and disable any tank from the side by destroying the tracks.) I'm also tired of losing Pz IV's to the 2pdr gun from the front.
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#5
08-26-2010, 05:15 PM
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#6
08-26-2010, 09:30 PM
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The so called schurzen should give only sufficient protection to anti tank rifles and shaped charges. If there is really something that ads the schurzen to the tank armor when you shot it with shells then its pretty wrong as they are so thin that they should not have any real relevance. Particularly on the Panzer IV H as if I remember correctly got more or less just a mesh with some very thin sheet over it so shaped charges would fail to penetrate the armor cause of premature explosion which would cause the jet stream of the charge to loose a lot of its effectivness. So as said it should have realisticaly no effect on anti tank shells. That would be like claiming a thin sheet of paper might cause a bullet to richochet if the distance is big enough.
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#7
08-27-2010, 11:21 AM
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Lolz, im pretty sure the shurtzen wouldnt stop a shell but it always annoyed me how they were there and didnt even manage to stop a Shaped Charge and how 1 50 cal round can simply knock it off, they were welded on right? not like a little plastic model ive got where the bars holding it on are simply resting in little holes. So i just set them high enough to stop 1 hit then they fall off...of course my KV tank mod it took a big bloody tank hit to knock them off rendering the thing almost impervios from 50mm and lower and Panther rounds at about 70m and lower haha. Sadly I still lost a number of those KV mods to side shots from Panthers/Hetzers and anything else that was thrown at it when I went off to mess with something else.
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08-26-2010, 04:37 PM
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The 2pounder, were able to punch thru 56 or 57mm of armor and since the Pz4E and G only have 50mm of frontal armor, well you get the picture.
~Zeke.
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#10
08-26-2010, 05:13 PM
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