Singleplayer and realism

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by KnightFandragon

Lolz, so I guess im not alone in my insanity, others have the same trouble with AT Guns and Shaped Charge Infantry guns being useless..atleast in SP =P One reason I think, for the Infantry guns being lame is b/c in thier damage fiels the Infantry weapons only have damage numbers...no penetration numbers..the others idk whats up there

Well its somewhat intersting how shots from a PAK40 to the s ide of a panther or a Panther gun to the side of the Tiger I many times do nothing at all but surprisingly the small AT grenades not only damage the turret of heavy tanks but crack the hull many times with ease!

Originally Posted by Zeke Wolff

Unfortunately Best Way made the very "wise" decision to have different weapon settings for SP and MP. MP works very well, whilst the SP weapons are incredible nerfed or overpowered, for example I´ve lost T34´s which has been hit frontally from extreme ranges by the short 75mm KwK37 used by the Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. F1, which in real life were extremely rare. In the SP game this happens more often than anything else.

Well it would make sense for the Panzer IV E to eventualy destroy the T34 and other armored tanks if you got hit by a HEAT shell (which is more less a big shaped charge as shell) which achieved quite good penetration ... but since Men of War has no HEAT shells ... its ridiculous yeah. On the other side. Even with HEAT the acuracy of the short 75 would be very poor. Its no anti tank gun. That for sure.

Originally Posted by KnightFandragon

do tankls really drink thier gas as fast in RL as they do in MP? Those tanks are empty before they even get across the map...especially Disaster and Desert Walk haha. I know they drink it fast but holy gas guzzling monsters of doom I went through like 6 supply trucks once on that Desert Walk map just taking thier gas out of them for my tanks.....

Depends on the vehicle a Tiger II will run out a lot faster of fuel compared to a T34. But thats quite obvious. But actual I hink no most vehicles had enough fuel for at least 100km. And most light/medium tanks even for more. The T34 and IS2 I think got even extra barrels with fuel on their armor later. If they received so much fuel is a different question though. One could "eventualy" imagine that when you get access to armor in MoW they had already to travel some distance to the battlefield I mean the armor never gets just delivered directly to the battlefield they usualy arrive from already prepared positions which can be anything between 10 and 50km (it depends a lot where you have access to streets and most imporantly railroads for example this was less of an issue for the soviets though since their tanks had usualy quite good access to fuel and they would rather drive then use the railroad).

Originally Posted by CzaD

Ps. No wonder I didn't like/use bazooka type weapons in MP at first.

Well honestly they are not THAT much better in MP either had here to many times issues with rockets even the German onces which usualy have the best penetration ...

There are quite a lot of differences in MP and SP particularly with AT guns and tanks. It seems some light vehicles on the british side are substanitlay more powerfull compared to MP or what one would expect ~ you cant explain it otherwise why some vehicles in the african champaign manage to destroy your Panzer IV on the FRONT with very light guns. Like the Crussaider or Cromwell tanks which had a lot of trouble with the Panzer IV F2 or mark IV special how it was called by the Brits.

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Meh ... just again. How is this supposed to be fun ? Shermans with their 76mm gun destroying the Jagdpanthers front from extrem distance with the first shoot are they using some kind of 76mm on crack or something shooting uranium depleted APDFSDFSSDGCFGH shells ?... lovely. Really. So much to verisimilitude and authenticity ...

I am curious if that will be corrected in future games ... it really starts to be frustrating.

[Nikitns]

in MoW, AT rounds=HEAT shells.

Steel rounds weren't used during the 40's

[Crni vuk]

hmm ? Of course they where ...

HEAT was pretty rare at any time with any vehicle. Usualy the Panzer IV e would not carry more then eventualy 4 or 5. Same for the Stug with a short gun. The Sherman 75 received a few as well and probably many other tanks if they have been available.

Most guns used at least till 1940/41 simple AP penetrators which have been usualy steel. A few guns like the 2pf or was it 6pf ? used APDS or APCR.
~ It seems the 6 pounder received a few special shells:
Initially the anti-tank ammunition was represented by a basic Armour-Piercing (AP) shot, but by January 1943 an Armour-Piercing, Capped (APC) shot and an Armour-Piercing, Capped, Ballistically Capped (APCBC) shots were supplied. A HE shell was produced so that the gun could be used against unarmoured targets as well.
Thats what I could get from wikipeda. I had better pages but cant find them anymore. Anyway but I think the APCR really started to apear with the germans on the Panzer III in relation with the upguned Panzer III F or G eventualy which used the 5 cm gun now. But I am not sure. I would have to look deeper in it. But its definetly fact that HEAT shells have been always quite rare and many tanks didnt even got them ~ like the Panther. Particularly in the begining the understanding of HEAT and Shaped charges was not complet. So making them was quite difficult compared to usual AP shells. many times the HEAT shells have been used later to give guns of smaller caliber a increase in penetration that was in no relation to the used caliber as you could achieve that way much more penetration then with a usual AP shell of that size. THere have been also for example attempts to develop some kind of "rifle grenade" for weapons like the 3,7-cm Pak 35/36 to increase their power without developing a completely new weapon as with the start of the war the 37mm guns proved to be pretty useless ~ many times those weapons would have been give for example to troops of other nations which served either in the Wehrmacht or as support to the German Army like the Romanian divisions for example. But even this improvements proved to be of lidle value and served as nothing more then desperate attempts as they could not replace a larger gun like the Pak40/41,43 or even a tank.

[Korsakov829]

Try SP on Hard, and look for any difference.

[Feh]

So, nobody made a mod yet to fix the retarded penetration values for many guns in this game? I'm tired how may Pz II's I've lost to .50 cal penetrations from the front (if you wan't a laser guided weapon in this, game get the quad .50 cal AA: instantly kills infantry, and disable any tank from the side by destroying the tracks.) I'm also tired of losing Pz IV's to the 2pdr gun from the front.

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by Feh

So, nobody made a mod yet to fix the retarded penetration values for many guns in this game? I'm tired how may Pz II's I've lost to .50 cal penetrations from the front (if you wan't a laser guided weapon in this, game get the quad .50 cal AA: instantly kills infantry, and disable any tank from the side by destroying the tracks.) I'm also tired of losing Pz IV's to the 2pdr gun from the front.

Lol Ill add to your trouble....Shurtzen, like on the Panzer IV, doesnt do anything to protect you either...Any hits and it falls off w/o doing anything and your tank will most likely die anyway =D If you have such trouble with teh base game just make a mod of your own =D I know I did, set shields to 80 and 100 =D THey actually saved my tank from a hit haha

[Crni vuk]

The so called schurzen should give only sufficient protection to anti tank rifles and shaped charges. If there is really something that ads the schurzen to the tank armor when you shot it with shells then its pretty wrong as they are so thin that they should not have any real relevance. Particularly on the Panzer IV H as if I remember correctly got more or less just a mesh with some very thin sheet over it so shaped charges would fail to penetrate the armor cause of premature explosion which would cause the jet stream of the charge to loose a lot of its effectivness. So as said it should have realisticaly no effect on anti tank shells. That would be like claiming a thin sheet of paper might cause a bullet to richochet if the distance is big enough.

[Feh]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

Try SP on Hard, and look for any difference.

Like what?

[Zeke Wolff]

The 2pounder, were able to punch thru 56 or 57mm of armor and since the Pz4E and G only have 50mm of frontal armor, well you get the picture.

~Zeke.

[KnightFandragon]

Originally Posted by Feh

Like what?

Additional enemy units, units that im sure are a hellva lot tougher, smarter.....yeah im sure Hard is rediculous. Ive not even tried normal in this game but in the editor ive seen some nasty surprises that you get on hard and normal. The Russian Airfield bonus mission there is an Elefant, the last German mission, Borgs Last Fight, the Brits have Centurions.....yeah retarded for sure. On Seelow Heights and Bonus mission The Crossroads the Germans have a JagdTiger. idk how I ran into the Jagdtiger on Seelow but I know i saw it once, shit my pants when I did to, all I had was a T34/85...I wanted to capture it but the side is such butter I killed it dead