Best Heavy tank

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by Evilsausage

Thing is a King Tiger cost 120 points a Nashorn cost 45.
Sometime when your in a bad situation, For example the enemy got a Pershing or and IS-2 out. That is very well guarded from any infantry attacks.

Difference is the Nashorn has no defence what so ever while the Jagdpanther or panther even can take some fight with the Pershing.

There is no garantue that the Nashorns formidable gun would penetrate a Pershing or IS2. And the fact how easily the Nashorn can be seen chance is high that you loose it before you can shoot or get close enough for a certain penetration. Dont forget accuracy plays a significant role as well! You CAN theoreticaly on max distance take out the Pershing, IS2 and even damage the IS3 on his turret and gun. But how high is the chance to achieve that with the first shot ? Maybe 30%. Thats not enough.

The Nashorn is more a desperate unit. Maybe usefull to guard your flanks from a ambush position. Or to use it to get some heavy tank in its flank from long range.

In reality the Nashorn was a very succesfull tank hunter cause of its powerfull gun and experienced crews tank hunters usualy use different tactics compared to battle tanks.

[Evilsausage]

Well when you get the Nashorn for half the price of a JP. And mounts same gun as the JP you can't expect it to have good armor aswell.

Like i said Nashorns are not for soaking damage in any way. Just shoot and then hide.

I dont recomend you try to fight Pershings and IS-2s at max range with it. Cuz then it will normaly deflect or miss.
However many times you can just quickly race for the enemy tank while its bussy. I Normaly get close enough so i get roughly 130-150 in penetration(which can be done from pretty far away). Then the chances of a kill is more like 70% if you manges to get your shot off.

Now ofc the Nashorn can get spotted and fucked up, or it misses. But you can't really expect it to be 100% sucessfull when its fighting units twice its cost.

Also don't recomend using Nashorns vs IS-3s. Even King tigers have to be damn close to kill and IS-3 frontally. And you will never be able to get that close with a Nashorns paperthin armor.

But yeah, if you can afford a JP. Its normaly a safer investment.
But don't underestimate the Nashorn. have killed many IS-2s, Pershings, IS-1s etc with it.

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by Evilsausage

Like i said Nashorns are not for soaking damage in any way. Just shoot and then hide.

But exactly THAT is what you need most of the time during a battle. Particularly the longer the battle is going. And hence why you very rarely if ever see Nashorns and similar vehicles in action. The chance to survive a shoot by the powerfull Nashorn gun, even for medium targets like the T34 is just to high to warant its use. Just loost to much of them on medium tanks cause the first shoot did nothing even when almost the whole tank was in full sight. And now since I am doing different things with my points then spend it for the Nashorn things work better.

[Evilsausage]

I have said this before, Nashorns are an emergency unit if the enemy pulls out a heavy tank you cant afford to counter. If you use em as a standard tank going around fighting stuff it will get fucked up. And yeah even a t-34 can **** it up at max range.

Im not saying Nashorns should be your main battletank. And many times you don't need to get it. But sometimes, in certain situations a Nashorn can be a great unit if used right.
Just 1 good shot with it and you might had killed something almost twice its price, but at the same time just 1 shot at it and you have lost it.
Its just that its different. But it doesnt make it bad.

[Zeke Wolff]

Nashorns is a very good unit, if you use it correctly. Move it up towards the front and it is a dead duck in no time... when used from ambush and from the rear, and having infantry doing the scouting, it can deliver death to the enemy quite easy. Just remember to only shot one or two rounds from the same position and NEVER let it use "fire at will", the Nashorn is a unit that should only be used with direct control (since otherwise you can be pretty sure that it will reveal its position by firing a HE shell against a lone enemy infantry guy...).

~Zeke.

[Crni vuk]

dont get me wrong I believe you all when you say the Nashorn is a powerfull vehicle if used correctly, I am sure youre love for it is waranted somewhere.

Its just that I think, to much work for the expected gain and to much things to consider when using it. Playing with it needs skill that for sure.