Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[Ernst]

Ok. Reformulating question! Will it all fighter aircraft with standard loadouts have the same g loading limits or will it differ based in its "overall" structure and construction in new 4.10?

I not sayed nothing about materials anymore.

[AndyJWest]

Wood is fragile material and under overpressure it breaking. Metal is a viscous material and it was deformed, but not breaking.

This simply isn't true, Adwark. Or at least, it isn't true in the context of aircraft construction. If you overstress an airframe it may deform, or it may break up, depending on the particular circumstances, but there is nothing inherent in the properties of a properly-designed wooden structure that makes break-up more likely. In fact a properly-bonded wooden structure may do better than a rivited metal airframe in this context.

Modern aircraft construction is making increasing use of composites, which have more in common with wood in terms of structural properties than they do with metals - wood is a 'natural composite', the result of millions of years of natural selection.

As for wood being 'a fragile material', have you ever seen what happens if you drive a car into a tree?

[Adwark]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

This simply isn't true, Adwark. Or at least, it isn't true in the context of aircraft construction. If you overstress an airframe it may deform, or it may break up, depending on the particular circumstances, but there is nothing inherent in the properties of a properly-designed wooden structure that makes break-up more likely. In fact a properly-bonded wooden structure may do better than a rivited metal airframe in this context.

Can you show me please source where this is written?

Modern aircraft construction is making increasing use of composites, which have more in common with wood in terms of structural properties than they do with metals - wood is a 'natural composite', the result of millions of years of natural selection.

You was right about present time composite materials. But I was speaking about WW2 aircrafts and materials. Please read my post #774. I was only doesn't know is exist equal book in English.

As for wood being 'a fragile material', have you ever seen what happens if you drive a car into a tree?

Aircrafts wasn't a trees. They are flying.

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by Adwark

Can you show me please source where this is written?

It is you that is making a claim about the relative structural properties of materials, Adwark, so the burden of proof is really on you. I realise you have given us a link to a Russian source, but without being able to read it, I can't really comment on what it says - in any case, a debate like this is unlikely to be settled by reference to a single source.

Aircraft design is a complex process, and involves amongst other things a good understanding of the properties of the particular materials involved. Simply comparing 'wood' to 'metal' and making statements about how 'fragile' they are is pointless in this context - you need to refer to particular materials, in the situation they are being used. Generalisations tell us little.

[Adwark]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

It is you that is making a claim about the relative structural properties of materials, Adwark, so the burden of proof is really on you. I realise you have given us a link to a Russian source, but without being able to read it, I can't really comment on what it says - in any case, a debate like this is unlikely to be settled by reference to a single source.

Yes this is Russian aviation engineers handbook printed at 1954. I was written about it. I agree, if you can't read it, our debate about this book is pointless and we are return to our old positions. Sorry, but I hasn't equal source in English. If I was find something like this in English, I was be glad continue or debate.

[AndyJWest]

I've had a quick look at what Google Translate makes of the book, and it may at least give me an idea of what it is saying. I'm sure there must be other sources for information like this, written in English - I'll see what I can find.

EDIT-------
Unfortunately, on downloading the book I find that it is a scanned image, rather than text, so Google Translate is no help. The file also seems to be corrupted, rendering many pages unreadable.

[Ernst]

Ok... But, where are the DT guys to anwser my last question about in game g loadings?

Please, call them to answer!

[bf-110]

Is Daidalos Team only working on planes,physics and maps are you planning to add ground objects and vehicles?

[WTE_Galway]

wow ... do the threads here get off topic or what Maybe start a new topic to avoid the thread getting hijacked guys.

Aside from anything else their may be other people with knowledge on specialized topics that would contribute if it was a separate thread


Not to matter ... one question i have ... when/where can we get a hold of the voids or skin templates for the new aircraft ?

[robday]

Originally Posted by Ernst

Ok. Reformulating question! Will it all fighter aircraft with standard loadouts have the same g loading limits or will it differ based in its "overall" structure and construction in new 4.10?

I not sayed nothing about materials anymore.

It seems to me, from all the posts on this subject that I have seen, that each aircraft will have it's own unique G limit, based upon it's real life value, and that this limit will vary according to wether the aircraft is loaded with various amounts of ordnance or is unloaded