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Old 04-29-2010, 04:58 AM
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Simply referring to 'wood' or 'metal' is almost meaningless. Aircraft are bulit out of specified materials, not vague descriptions. Which would work better, a longbow built out of yew, or one made out of cast iron?

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If metal plates deforms due to excessive forms it returns to its natural position in most times. Wood not, it brokes.
If you deform a material beyond its elastic limit, it deforms. Aircraft designers know this, and design accordingly.

I suggest you do a little research into structual engineering in general, and aircraft design in particular, before you make any more sweeping statements of the relative benefits of wood vs metal construction.
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Old 04-29-2010, 05:07 AM
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Ok mr. knowns all, may it is better to build in wood. Aluminium has no advantage and is expesinve... and mosquisto was not made for hard manouvering or high gs, but for speed.

It is certain that wooden construction is lighter, and allows more acelleration. But linear acellaration or level speed has nothing with structural resistance.

Post this photo is the same to say, in actual context, that mosquito wooden construction allowed it hard manouvering. May you ll post a Zero photo. Yes Zero wooden construction allowed it good manouvering, but only at lower speeds, this mean less gs. All question is about gs.

Yes i ll study more about structural resistance, and you? There is a great chance that both are wrong. Hehe...

And i asked to TEAM Daidalos guys not you, they are studying to model the planes. If they say that i am completely wrong i accept.

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Old 04-29-2010, 05:32 AM
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I'm not saying that 'metal' or 'wood' are better, I'm saying that you need to be specific about the materials you are talking about before you can make comparisons. You also need to undertand that aircraft are designed to withstand known loads, not thrown together with whatever material is available. I'm sure TD know this, and don't need vague generalisations to decide on structural strength modelling and G limits.

Do you have any evidence that the DH Mosquito was designed to lower G-loading standards than similar metal-construction aircraft? If you do, I'd like to see it.
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Old 04-29-2010, 05:45 AM
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If you double click on the 2nd video it will take you to the videos. I only posted a link to the 1 of 5

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Old 04-29-2010, 06:04 AM
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Nice vids.
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An airccraft built to an 8 G structural limit is built to take that amount of stress, no matter if it is wood, aluminum or paper.

A wooden aircraft can be built to take the same G loading as a metal one, but typically the metal (aluminum) one will be of lighter weight, and have better protection from environmentl degredation.

But like I said, an 8 G airplane is an 8 G airplane, regardless of construction material.

And no, the Japanese did not build many wooden combat aircraft at all.

None of the major types were.
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One must, it appears, use caution in disparaging wooden aircraft when there are Brits around.

I must point out also that the Zero did have a wooden radio mast.
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Old 04-29-2010, 03:27 PM
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An airccraft built to an 8 G structural limit is built to take that amount of stress, no matter if it is wood, aluminum or paper.

A wooden aircraft can be built to take the same G loading as a metal one, but typically the metal (aluminum) one will be of lighter weight, and have better protection from environmentl degredation.

But like I said, an 8 G airplane is an 8 G airplane, regardless of construction material.
You are right. 8G plane is 8G plane and not important is it a wood or metal, if you flying with recommended limitation. But situation was changed, if you for example, drop bombs in diving or have a bullet damages. In this case your plane material of strengths is very important, because earlier collapsed wood construction. Wood is fragile material and under overpressure it breaking. Metal is a viscous material and it was deformed, but not breaking. For example, Ju-88 has a full metal construction, but in real life doesn't used like a diving bomber, because its construction deformed after short time. If Ju-88 has a wood construction, he was be a single time diving bomber .
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Do you have any evidence that the DH Mosquito was designed to lower G-loading standards than similar metal-construction aircraft? If you do, I'd like to see it.
Here is two links http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Im...oFB6Manual.pdf see chapter 52.

Second http://books.google.lv/books?id=Sfwq...ations&f=false .

Both in English.
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Team Daidalos, will the trigger functionality be available in patch 4.10 or in future patches?

Thanks for your hard work.
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