How to find best Infantry weapons

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by KnightFandragon

Finding Weapon stats requires going into e1.pak files and what not but ranges for most all the infantry weapons is like 35 or 40. Also, FM, there is a MG42, its the German gun w/ the 75 rounds. I like the MG34 in game b/c it has a 100 round belt....of course the ammo belt doesnt show but thats a minor detail. Also, another kinda rare, but VERY good gun in the campaign games is the German MP44......by far the best SMG, yes thats what its classified as when putting in ammo in this game haha.

Lolfail, MP 44 isn't the real name. Its STG 44, and its an Assault Rifle, the 1st, and a few years later. Wow...The AK 47, looks a lil similar eh? Commies are just too stupid to design their own guns XD

[KnightFandragon]

Yeah, I know its STG 44...why I am stuck on using MP idk....I like STG better anywho =P I know its an Assault Rifle, when I first saw it I was thinking it would use its own Assault Rifle rounds. Come to find out the game makes it use SMG ammo. Im like, ok, there is no shortage of that. Still its a great gun in game and in RL

[Korsakov829]

The German and Russian MGs are guns, they both do their job at cutting down infantry and light vehicles in some cases. The gun you are most comfortable with is the best.

By the way, the STG 44 was not the first assualt rifle. It was one of many pre-assault rifles, not fully developed enough to be classified as a true assault rifle.

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by Korsakov829

The German and Russian MGs are guns, they both do their job at cutting down infantry and light vehicles in some cases. The gun you are most comfortable with is the best.

By the way, the STG 44 was not the first assualt rifle. It was one of many pre-assault rifles, not fully developed enough to be classified as a true assault rifle.

Wrong on both accounts. The DP LMG wasn't that great, and the STG 44 was the 1st Assault Rifle.

[KnightFandragon]

Doesnt the DP jam alot b/c of that big disk clip it has? Anywho, the PPSH is nice....THe RUssians did it well, combine a Squad LMG w/ a SMG...71 round drum mag in a tiny little portable package. Of course idk how common they were, what units used them or actually how reliable they were but in every game PPSH's absolutly wreck stuff.

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by KnightFandragon

Doesnt the DP jam alot b/c of that big disk clip it has? Anywho, the PPSH is nice....THe RUssians did it well, combine a Squad LMG w/ a SMG...71 round drum mag in a tiny little portable package. Of course idk how common they were, what units used them or actually how reliable they were but in every game PPSH's absolutly wreck stuff.

PPSH was very common. Russian infantry we're no differently armed than German infantry.

K98s - Mosin Nagants

MP40s - PPSHs

MG34/42s - DPs

G43 - SVT-40

As for reliability...

Some of the PPSh's drawbacks included the difficulty of reloading, the tendency of the drums to jam (solved by the box magazines) and the high risk of accidental discharge when dropped - the last being a fault common to all open bolt submachine gun designs. Despite these drawbacks, the PPSh-41 was still admired by Soviet soldiers for its low recoil, reliability, and lethality at close range. The PPSh fired the standard 7.62x25mm pistol round such as used in the TT-33 pistol.

Serious problems with the drum mag, so the regular stick mags were preferable. So it was 35 rounds vs 71 but problems with jamming.

[Korsakov829]

The DP LMG is great if a Russian is using it. I find it much more fun then a MG42.

And the first Assualt rifle prototype came in the end of the 19th century. I really just hate the STG 44.

[Nikitns]

Originally Posted by FM_Von_Manstein

Lolfail, MP 44 isn't the real name. Its STG 44, and its an Assault Rifle, the 1st, and a few years later. Wow...The AK 47, looks a lil similar eh? Commies are just too stupid to design their own guns XD

Ya, and that is why a part of the former "commie" arms industry is the 2# biggest in the world today (arms sales from Russia is only less than from USA).

[FM_Von_Manstein]

Originally Posted by Nikitns

Ya, and that is why a part of the former "commie" arms industry is the 2# biggest in the world today (arms sales from Russia is only less than from USA).

And that industry is based around German inventions. AK 47 is a copy of the STG-44, the RPG a copy of the Panzerfaust. Russians don't invent guns they copy them.

[Crni vuk]

Pretty good and short answer about the relation of the Stgw and AK47 in my eyes.
aksville

Q: I often hear many say that the AK-47 was a direct copy of the STG44, what truth is there to this?
Really, what would a tank operator know about mechanisms needed for a gun especially the best assault rifle of all time. Do these two guns operate on the same basic concept and just simply a copy of a german design, or is the AK-47...... (2 answers - asked 18 months ago)
A: Not a "direct copy", but "heavily influenced" is probably fair
The AK-47 is not a direct copy or clone of the STG-44.



For starters, they fire a different cartridge. The AK-47 is chambered in 7.62x39mm, and the STG-44 in 7.92x33mm. Further, Kalishnikov (the creator of the AK-47) used the locking lug design of the M1 Garand and the trigger and safety group designed by John M. Browning. Finally, the AK action is a rotating bolt and the STG is a tilting bolt. So, there are clearly some differences.



That said, it seems pretty clear that Kalishnikov heavily borrowed from the STG-44. The two main pieces of evidence:



1) The overall design and form of the weapon is very, very similar. In fact, people who don't know much about guns often mistake a STG-44 for an AK-47.



2) Hugo Schmeisser, the man who designed by the STG-44, was captured by the Russians in 1945 and forced to work on weapon design for them. Schmeisser was not allowed to go home until 1952. Those seven years Schmeisser was working in the USSR match up pretty neatly with the development of the AK-47.



Kalishnikov (who is still alive), denies to this day that he copied the STG-44. And in a literal sense, he is correct. There are significant differences. On the other hand, the similarities are obvious even to someone who knows little about guns.



My personal view: Kalishnikov should get credit for significantly improving on the German STG-44. But would he have invented the AK-47 if the Germans hadn't invented the STG-44? I doubt it.

Interesting might be as well that the idea or concept of assault rifles was there long before the Stgw was designed. But the Stgw was definetly the most succesfull design

Weapons with similar use or design to the Stgw have been the Charlton Automatic Rifle, Chauchat (more machineguns actualy but they had a curved magazine and shared many principles with modern assault rifles), Fedorov Avtomat, Cei-Rigotti, Mondragón rifle or the M1941 Johnson machine gun. It is very hard to really differentiate between rifles, automatic rifles or light machineguns since many shared similar qualities. Most of the weapons mentioned used quite big calibers but there have been ideas to shorten them already in the 20s of the 1900 century. The Japanese 6.5x50mm Arisaka rifle cartridge for the Fedorov Avtomat and the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano for the Cei-Rigotti. Though relability issues and complex mechanisms made those weapons very rare. But it was a new concept afterall.

The Ribeyrolles 1918 is as well a extremly interesting design and might come as close as possible to the concept of assault rifles.