Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[nearmiss]

Since the BOB SOW will be open for modifications it would seem that Grumman may have problems enforcing their limitations on "home" plane builders as they have with every other air combat or flight simulation game.

They might be able to prevent Oleg or MSFT, but just like youtube trying to keep all the media from broadcasters off the site. It is just too much work to try to enforce against the average "john doe".

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Since the BOB SOW will be open for modifications it would seem that Grumman may have problems enforcing their limitations on "home" plane builders as they have with every other air combat or flight simulation game.

They might be able to prevent Oleg or MSFT, but just like youtube trying to keep all the media from broadcasters off the site. It is just too much work to try to enforce against the average "john doe".

It's a bit more complicated than that apparently... if my understanding is correct the legal issues are surrounding the Pacific Fighters game and all related materials. Storm of War apparently will have no such issues.

[ElAurens]

The Curtiss Helldiver is good to go.

As is the Curtuss SOC "Seagull" float plane.

Both were widely used.

[AndyJWest]

This forum is getting more like the AAA 'requests' topic every day. You know - think of a plane you'd like to see, post it on the forum, and expect it to happen. It doesn't work like that. Adding a new plane will need (a) information, (b) incentive, and (c) hard work. To see why just asking for your favourite plane isn't much help, let's consider these points in turn.

(a) Information. TD have standards, they need to have sufficient detail available on a plane to make it look right, fly right etc. A blurry photo isn't sufficient.

(b) Incentive. I'd like to have a flyable Supermarine Walrus, but I doubt if this is a major priority for most IL-2 players, so TD meeting my wishes is unlikely.

(c) Hard work: the key issue. TD are doing this for free. It is a lot easier to ask for a Lancaster than it is to actually make one. It is probably easier to make three single-seater fighters than a Lancaster - and given the limitations of the game, a Lanc will always be compromised anyway. If someone from TD is really keen, or someone from outside is willing to meet their standards, we may see a Lanc one day, but it will be down to those making the effort. If the response to every new plane is 'why didn't you do an X', rather than appreciating what you are given (for free), I don't think it is reasonable to expect TD to take too much notice of requests.

On the other hand, if you 'must' have a particular plane, there is a solution. Learn how to do it yourself. As far as I'm aware, TD is not an exclusive club.

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

(b) Incentive. I'd like to have a flyable Supermarine Walrus, but I doubt if this is a major priority for most IL-2 players, so TD meeting my wishes is unlikely.

Funny. I was think along the same lines a few months back.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

This forum is getting more like the AAA 'requests' topic every day. You know - think of a plane you'd like to see, post it on the forum, and expect it to happen. It doesn't work like that. Adding a new plane will need (a) information, (b) incentive, and (c) hard work. To see why just asking for your favourite plane isn't much help, let's consider these points in turn.

(a) Information. TD have standards, they need to have sufficient detail available on a plane to make it look right, fly right etc. A blurry photo isn't sufficient.

(b) Incentive. I'd like to have a flyable Supermarine Walrus, but I doubt if this is a major priority for most IL-2 players, so TD meeting my wishes is unlikely.

(c) Hard work: the key issue. TD are doing this for free. It is a lot easier to ask for a Lancaster than it is to actually make one. It is probably easier to make three single-seater fighters than a Lancaster - and given the limitations of the game, a Lanc will always be compromised anyway. If someone from TD is really keen, or someone from outside is willing to meet their standards, we may see a Lanc one day, but it will be down to those making the effort. If the response to every new plane is 'why didn't you do an X', rather than appreciating what you are given (for free), I don't think it is reasonable to expect TD to take too much notice of requests.

On the other hand, if you 'must' have a particular plane, there is a solution. Learn how to do it yourself. As far as I'm aware, TD is not an exclusive club.

If you're referring to my list ... I did that for fun mostly.

Also although I have only extremely poor 3D modeling capabilities myself... I was a minor contributor on the old Netwings forum where some of the 3rd party modeling efforts came from that are in the official IL-2 today. I know all of the hard work and long hours involved in making many of these aircraft a reality. I even did some research when I could find resources.

I'm painfully aware how much effort is involved. Making a list doesn't mean I'm demanding of or even necessarily expecting anything to happen. It is fun to dream.

[AndyJWest]

Yeah, IceFire, I wasn't trying to suggest you were being serious. I do get the impression that some 'requests' are though. Many of the suggestions have been made before, and I doubt that TD will suddenly decide to make a B-26 or whatever just because someone asks for it. They have all been involved with IL-2 for years, as far as I can tell, and have a pretty good idea what the community would like. They also understand the limitations and practicalities of adding new aircraft better than most.

THere is no harm in dreaming, but I think realistically we are unlikely to see more than say 8 or 10 new aircraft per year, at the outside, unless more people get involved. I'd like to help myself, but although I have some computing skills I'm in no position to commit to anything as long-term as these projects. Probably there aren't that many of us who can, so the rest of us will have to accept what we're given. So far, I have no complaints, far from it.

It will be interesting to see how involved adding new aircraft to SoW:BoB will be - I suspect this will be even more complex, if done properly.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Yeah, IceFire, I wasn't trying to suggest you were being serious. I do get the impression that some 'requests' are though. Many of the suggestions have been made before, and I doubt that TD will suddenly decide to make a B-26 or whatever just because someone asks for it. They have all been involved with IL-2 for years, as far as I can tell, and have a pretty good idea what the community would like. They also understand the limitations and practicalities of adding new aircraft better than most.

THere is no harm in dreaming, but I think realistically we are unlikely to see more than say 8 or 10 new aircraft per year, at the outside, unless more people get involved. I'd like to help myself, but although I have some computing skills I'm in no position to commit to anything as long-term as these projects. Probably there aren't that many of us who can, so the rest of us will have to accept what we're given. So far, I have no complaints, far from it.

It will be interesting to see how involved adding new aircraft to SoW:BoB will be - I suspect this will be even more complex, if done properly.

I see where you're coming from for sure. Even 8 to 10 would be impressive and I hope that everyone takes a realistic view on this. We're lucky to get what we are and it is truly fantastic.

Many of the aircraft showing up now were being worked on years ago and they have resurfaced. Which is great! Lots of work was put in then but there just wasn't time to make them a reality at the time.

Storm of War aircraft appear to be much more labour intensive. That said at least being able to import them into the game using provided tools will give some added incentive to work on them. They will definitely be multi-year projects in many cases.