Need a help: British awards in period of BoB.

[Acid]

Oleg besides the awards, will the game keep track of all the types of Aircraft you've shot down? .

[NikToo]

Don't know what all the confusion is about over this. The British medal system is quite clear. For the Royal Air Force in 1940 the awards would simply have been:

VC: Officers and ORs. Obviously very rare.
DSO: Officers, for "distinguished service".
DFC: Officers and WOs, for "valor in [...] active operations.
DFM: NCOs and ORs for "active operations".
MID: Mention in Dispatches, which wouldn't lead to an award per se until the end of the war.

Quotes are from the Medal Yearbook, 2007 edition.

Bars would be added for additional awards. Note that DSOs, DFCs, and DFMs could also be given out at the end of operational tours, noting basically the bravery it took to do a large number of missions rather than just a single act.

No Campaign Stars were awarded until after the war. However, it was possible to wear the ribbon for the 1939-43 Star along with the Africa Star ribbon after 1943. Only the ribbon was awarded, not the Stars. Of course, this was later amended to the 1939-45 Star.

So in the terms of a game do really well in a mission on an easy setting and you get the DFM, finish a campaign and get a bar. On a difficult setting the DFC for a mission and the DSO for a campaign or a bar. One thing to remember is that you can't exactly mimic life here. After all, it only takes about five kills to become an "ace", but it would be a pretty boring game if you really had to struggle to just shoot down five aircraft. Most people probably approach Marseille-like numbers quite easily.

[Avimimus]

If I recall correctly there were often considerable delays between the decision to give the award and actually receiving it.

I remember one case where the commanding officer and some other staff were killed in a plane wreck shortly before this was to take place. A number of aircrew had been told that they were being recommended for awards but the entire squadron lost its chance to get the recognition when this tragic crash occurred.

[HB252]

Hi!!

There is a book that name is:

British Army Collar Badges 1881 to the Present - An Illustrated Reference Guide for Collectors

I got it in pdf, if you like send you, say me your e-mail.

Thx

[WTE_Galway]

Australian medal info:

From here:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-...-cat-index.htm

BARS and CLASPS

* There is a difference between "bars" and "clasps" although sometimes the two get mixed up. Supporting "bars" are another thing altogether.

* A bar represents the award of another medal of the same type. As wearing 2 or more identical medals would look silly a bar is worn on the riband of the medal to indicate the second award.

* Bars are appropriate only on gallantry or distinguished service medals.

* A clasp is a metal bar across the riband that carries a date or campaign or battle name. It was in the past common to issue only 1 medal for a war but to issue clasps for each significant action.

* Clasps are appropriate on campaign medals.

* Clasps are sometimes used on long service medals to indicate a further period of service, after the original qualifying period.

* None of the above refers to the supporting "bar" that is used to hang the medal and that sometimes carries a date, campaign or battle name.

Campaign medals - note Battle of Britain - these were issued AFTER the war so basically in a game issued at the end of a career.




The following link is gallantry medals which in general are identical to the British ones .. Victoria Cross, George Cross down to the medal for mention in Dispatches:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-.../gallantry.htm



If I understand correctly it was considered inappropriate to award bars to a Victoria Cross.

This is an amazing Victoria Cross reference website:

http://www.victoriacross.org.uk/vcross.htm



It tracks every Victoria Cross ever awarded.

[bolox]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Australian medal info:



If I understand correctly it was considered inappropriate to award bars to a Victoria Cross.

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not inappropriate- just very unusual

"There is provision made in the event that a holder of the Victoria Cross is awarded a Bar to his medal. In the same manner as other awards it is possible to be awarded a Victoria Cross more than once, but this has happened 3 times only. Such awards have an "abbreviated" version of the suspender bar attached to the ribbon above the original and the details of the "new" award are engraved on the reverse of this Bar."

from the makers website
http://www.hancocks-london.com/vc_medal.htm

WWII VC and bar
http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/upham.html

[Icewolf]

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/s...inmenu/group01

a good source for those interested

[Pursuivant]

If you want realism, remember that British decorations weren't just given for X number of aerial victories or bombing sorties and that you could get a lesser medal after receiving a more prestigious one. So the medals shouldn't just progress from "mention in despatches" > DFC > DSO/M > VC as you score points.

Instead, consider a career track more like Wing Commander Douglas Bader's - DSO & Bar, DFC & Bar, plus numerous mentions in despatches. Meaning two decorations for extreme heroism given on two different occasions, and two awards for heroism given on different occasions.

The game should track your overall performance in the campaign and your "single mission" performance when deciding which decoration to give you, as well as the difficulty, damage and injury you suffered while achieving your goal. Also, as with any decoration, your chance of being decorated depends on whether anyone else saw you performing the deed.

For example, shooting down a single Bf-110 might merit a mention in despatches if it was an ordinary kill on a fighter sweep over enemy territory. On the other hand, if you attack a superior formation on your own, just as it is attacking a target over your home territory, then refuse to bail out of your burning aircraft, suffering severe wounds in the process, in order to shoot down a single Bf-110 you might perhaps get the Victoria Cross.

If you must use a simple linear, point-based score system to assign awards, at least use the language "you have been RECOMMENDED for"; [Decoration] for every decoration other than mention in despatches.