Oleg Maddox's Room #2 QUESTIONS & REQUESTS TO OLEG ABOUT BOB SOW

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by mark@1C

Hello, BOSS
After I have read the interview "Visite de Maddox games et interview d'Oleg" written by Check-six community, I get to realize how realistic you are going to give us, especially the statement of the full engine management demonstrated by Mr. Roman Deniskin, using clickable mode.
However this reply is about my idea of operating using keyboard, perhaps we can call it a little improvement of "typeable" or "strikeable". I mean, a visual interface for keyboard/"typeable" players, just like me.
Traditional Control Setting/key mapping interface is in a TEXT style, with the functions/commands listed on the left side of the screen, keys on the right side. It's okey for a game such as Counter-Strike, such a game does not have too much keys to control(just Forward, Backward, Jump and so on). So a TEXT style interface can deal with it at all.
But the coming BoB/SoW is not a FPS like Counter-Strike, it is a simulation, just as what you have been doing. It should have a large number of keys to use, even more than IL-2 I guess. And different types of planes will have different cockpit layouts.
So considering these two points, the numbers of the keys and the various layouts of different types(though subtypes will have similar layouts). I think we can have a visual-cockpit-key-mapping-interface, that means while we are going to set some keys and suppose we are going to fly Bf109E, the Control Setting/key mapping Interface will turn us to a detailed illustration of its cockpit, then we can set each key in a direct visual or somewhat ergonormic way.For some examples, if the switch or button is on the left side of the cockpit control panel, we can use "Z" or "A" or "Q" etc; if a bar or lever, we can use "Spacebar" or "Shift" etc; We get to know which key to use in game control immediately, and it may also help us to read and memorise the different functions of diverse instruments and equipment in the cockpit, especially for beginners. And another important thing is, after having finished configuring all the keys, we can save it as a file, such as Bf109E.key or SpitfireMkIIA.key, etc. We can load different key configurations in different types of planes.
I believe it will increase the immersion to some extent to the game, and it is not difficult to implement.
Of course, the most immersive way to do all these, is in a real-time 3D environment. I mean, you just sit in the cockpit and setting the keys to the cockpit panel. It may begin with a choice of the "Adjusting Mode" from the UI, when the player is in a specific plane. Then the screen will turn to Black-and-White( or blueprint, etc) visual effect, the switches and buttons which can be used in the game will be highlighted. and a detailed instruction bubble will indicate the function beside the one the player has chosen, and so on...
Regards.

I'm not sure i understand what you mean, but it looks like you're requesting a cockpit-relative control scheme, right?

What we have now in IL2 is a function-relative control scheme. That means, in all planes if i press "G" the landing gear will start moving up or down.
In a cockpit-relative control scheme, the keys don't correspond to a function that needs a switch to be flipped, but to the switch itself relative to the cockpit layout. So, for example, pressing "G" in a cockpit relative control scheme will not have the same effect in all aircraft and most of the times it will not be the landing gear. It will be whatever switch/button happens to be to the center and a bit left of the instrument panel.

Is this what you are requesting, or did i misunderstand everything?
It's an interesting idea, i wouldn't use it but it could be useful for other people.

[mark@1C]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I'm not sure i understand what you mean, but it looks like you're requesting a cockpit-relative control scheme, right?

What we have now in IL2 is a function-relative control scheme. That means, in all planes if i press "G" the landing gear will start moving up or down.
In a cockpit-relative control scheme, the keys don't correspond to a function that needs a switch to be flipped, but to the switch itself relative to the cockpit layout. So, for example, pressing "G" in a cockpit relative control scheme will not have the same effect in all aircraft and most of the times it will not be the landing gear. It will be whatever switch/button happens to be to the center and a bit left of the instrument panel.

Is this what you are requesting, or did i misunderstand everything?
It's an interesting idea, i wouldn't use it but it could be useful for other people.

A cockpit-relative control scheme, well, that's it, it is one side of my idea. On the other side, the second important thing is, I hope BoB/SoW can give us a new experience of Control Setting/key mapping, not a text UI, but a What You See is What You Get way.

[Bolelas]

Can anyone tell me if bob sow will have the possibillity of adding on/of switches instead of having only the momentary switches like the ones on the keyboard?
i know some games that have it, some RC games (radio controled sim.) and the MS flight sim does have it to,in an add-on, i think they call it FSUIPC or something like that.
Its very usefull to people who want to build pannels and stuff like that. I hope it includes that possibillity of defining the behaviour of all the keys...

[na85]

It's not like it's particularly hard to convert a switch to a momentary toggle. Someone who is building a panel probably has the requisite skills.

[baronWastelan]

Hi 1C team!

I have played online via hyperlobby since ancient (1.2) Il-2 version. I stopped playing online a couple years ago because of 2 main problems I could not tolerate any more:

1. Players using incorrect nationality markings.

2. Players using lights and or smoke in combat situations.

I never understood why the server could not prevent those from happening. If I ever go online again in SOW, it will only be when the server admin can control these things.

Thanks for reading!

[Blackdog_kt]

Well, i can understand about the smoke, but i imagine that using the lights is not unreealistic as a signal option.

In fact, the P51 had 3 colored recognition lights under the starboard wing that could be used by the pilot to send morse code.

Sure, he wasn't sending actual morse code when he was evading attacks by a 190, but if he asked for wingmen to clear his tail and they couldn't spot him, he could press the morse button repeatedly to signal them.

The reason lights are problematic in IL2 is not because they are used in combat, but because they are too visible during daylight. Cheers

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

Hi 1C team!

I have played online via hyperlobby since ancient (1.2) Il-2 version. I stopped playing online a couple years ago because of 2 main problems I could not tolerate any more:

1. Players using incorrect nationality markings.

2. Players using lights and or smoke in combat situations.

I never understood why the server could not prevent those from happening. If I ever go online again in SOW, it will only be when the server admin can control these things.

Thanks for reading!

Bwastelan,

Try UKDed servers on Hyperlobby, the markings policy is rather strict (kick after a couple of warnings), and light / smoke is not tolerated either.

Regards,
Insuber

[mark@1C]

Hi, Boss,
I asked one of my friends to draw some samples which can express my idea of the new Control-Setting UI, and here there are, you can see the details in #409 reply, wish you enjoy them.

Text interface: No, it's boring.


Illustration Style: Well, it's fit for such a WWII game.


Real 3D In-game style: An Immersive interface

Sample2


Regards.

[mrburns]

Originally Posted by Bolelas

Can anyone tell me if bob sow will have the possibillity of adding on/of switches instead of having only the momentary switches like the ones on the keyboard?
i know some games that have it, some RC games (radio controled sim.) and the MS flight sim does have it to,in an add-on, i think they call it FSUIPC or something like that.
Its very usefull to people who want to build pannels and stuff like that. I hope it includes that possibillity of defining the behaviour of all the keys...

I'd also like to know if gauge data will be available for viewing on a separate monitor for those of us building simulator cockpits to fly in.

[hugso]

Originally Posted by Bolelas

Can anyone tell me if bob sow will have the possibillity of adding on/of switches instead of having only the momentary switches like the ones on the keyboard?
i know some games that have it, some RC games (radio controled sim.) and the MS flight sim does have it to,in an add-on, i think they call it FSUIPC or something like that.
Its very usefull to people who want to build pannels and stuff like that. I hope it includes that possibillity of defining the behaviour of all the keys...

Yes, it is fairly simple to produce a momentary pulse with switches using relays and I have done this in my cockpit. What would be really nice would be a button for the starter motor which has to be held on to keep the starter churning and then let go as the engine fires. This is done in X-Plane and it feels so much better than the toggle in IL2. Sounds trivial, but does feel so much more realistic. (Also, it would be good if the engine noise stopped at the same time as the prop stops turning when the engine switched off instead of running on for half a second with a stationary prop as it does at present). This is not a moan - I think IL2 is the most amazing sim ever and an incredible achievement by all concerned. Thanks.