Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

I have a question for TD: Could you get rid of bouncing aircraft on landing? It's caused me nothing but grief and yesterday it really got heartbreaking. Here's the topic I started for it elsewhere:

Posted by me elsewhere: I hate landings. Because every time I try to land, BOUNCE, BOUNCE. This came to a head Wednesday. I was in a coop where I did much service in ground attack, but had to limp home on one engine. After limping on one engine across the entire map, I made it to my home base, and proceeded to make a beautiful three point landing on one engine. Then, for no reason at all, BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE. First my tail wheel came off, then next thing I know I'm coasting to a stop with everything aft of the wings gone. Though I come to a stop on the runway, crew alive and well, it didn't count as a landing as far as the code was concerned.

I'm sick and tired of bouncing, and want to know, how can I land without bouncing at all, because the bouncing in game is totally unrealistic for a plane landing on a tarmac. I mean, how many real planes do you see jumping into the air like they were punched by a giant fist every time they landed? Sorry for venting, but this was really heartbreaking and I'm considering quitting coops if I can't find a solution.

At least in dogfight servers it doesn't matter how I land, but requiring a virtually impossible task to be achieved to keep being in a coop is seriously flawed, and no future patch will be releasable IMO if this isn't addressed.

[dafat1]

Landing without bouncing is of course a matter of skills, like in the real world. But the mass of the planes seems indeed to be undermodeled while the tendency to flip over when landing off an airfield is for sure overmodeled on planes with a tailwheel. I'm a real world pilot and fly tailwheeled planes a lot and land them on grassfields and it never happened to me in real, while I always flip over when I land in IL2 beside an airfield.

Really looking forward to radionavgation!

[Azimech]

Decent rate, speed, power, three point landing. I don't have much problems with bouncing. Except when landing on rough ground of course.
So if you bounce and break of your tailwheel while performing a three point landing, you must have stalled it too high because your decent was too quick.

Sometimes I forget my brake lever, then I flip over or break my gear

[Tempest123]

The bouncing is pretty realistic, that's just what happens in a real aircraft when you come down too hard. You need to know the approach speed for landing and flare at the correct time.

[CKY_86]

Is there going to be an update today?

[MikkOwl]

Originally Posted by dafat1

Landing without bouncing is of course a matter of skills, like in the real world. But the mass of the planes seems indeed to be undermodeled while the tendency to flip over when landing off an airfield is for sure overmodeled on planes with a tailwheel. I'm a real world pilot and fly tailwheeled planes a lot and land them on grassfields and it never happened to me in real, while I always flip over when I land in IL2 beside an airfield.

Really looking forward to radionavgation!

In regards to landings, I am not a real pilot. But I do 'support' the thoughts of mr dafat1 above. The 'doesn't behave heavy enough but instead has some other oddity' is a super common phenomenon in 1990-2010 game physics. Most easily seen on armored vehicles doing stuff (WWII online for example) but any object can be used as an example.

The tendency to stand on the nose could partially be explained by the differences in using our controllers, lack of acceleration sensation and differences in aircraft/brake design. Our controllers make it easy to apply maximum brake force without feeling a thing. Modern planes may have more easily modulated brakes and perhaps not even as powerful ones as in WW2. And in either way, the real pilots might brake much less than we do by reflex and seat of pants feeling.

A training video I saw for the IL-2 Sturmovik (plane) from 1943 taught to brake, then come off the brakes and repeat the process when having touched down. This probably to avoid standing on the nose, but since the pilots were such noobs they needed to teach them a simple way to avoid it rather than threshhold braking.

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Radio Navigation seems awesome! I need to go learn morse code now.

[Avimimus]

It should also be noted that Cessnas (or passenger jets for that matter) are not WWII fighters. The design requirements, performance and air/ground handling are quite a bit different.

Don't land a WWII fighter like a jet on a trap. Keep the nose low (even a negative pitch), then pull out so as to skim the runway. Make sure you end up close to stall speed and within a metre of the ground, only then can you throttle down and assume a positive angle of attack.

[daidalos.team]

Just a small update today guys. Refresh first page. Enjoy.

[Tbag]

Thanks DT, nice update, as always!

[ben_wh]

TD,

Thank you for the update as always.

Quick question on AI visibility changes - does it include blind spot on a plane?

For example, can the player be easily spotted if s/he approach, say, a lone rookie AI fighter plane from six o'clock below; or if bouncing it from 'out of the sun'?

Thanks again,