I'd like to join Team Daidalos.

[philip.ed]

Owl, I once had a cat like you. It tried to bark and think it was a dog, and n-matter how many times I told it that it was a cat it would not listen. I am seeing parallels now and experiencing deja-vu. Scary huh? Maybe you need to change your name to dog-cat or something

Honestly, people have given you advise and you just sit there and say how good you are.

[Modding_Monkey]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Owl, I once had a cat like you. It tried to bark and think it was a dog, and n-matter how many times I told it that it was a cat it would not listen. I am seeing parallels now and experiencing deja-vu. Scary huh? Maybe you need to change your name to dog-cat or something

Honestly, people have given you advise and you just sit there and say how good you are.

Hit the nail on the head.

[AndyJWest]

Hey guys, lets give him the benifit of the doubt, and at least see what he can do with Oktoberfest's request.

(BTW philip.ed, nicely done edit, your original version was crying out for a response )

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Not his edit, but nearmiss'.

Still, I think you could let it there for just a bit longer so Owl would get what we're talking about the hard way.

We tried over and over to explain him in detail what's wrong, yet to see the same thing philip pointed out: he just sat there saying how "good" he was - usually with grotesque grammar & spelling errors not even I would make.

It was like talking to a freakin' wall!

[The_Stealth_Owl]

S! Guys!! Hi!

Here you are Oktoberfest, if there is anything you want changed now is the time. Template is a hybrid. From Jester, Bersk, Cat Slayer, Cpt. Farrel, and Owl.



Give me your email and I will send the skins as attachments.

S!

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

I intend my first post here to be memorable, and without further ado, I shall begin. Owl, nice work, and while you may never be part of TD, you could be an important guy around here nonetheless. You should know my email from Owlcraft, so send that sweet 110 skin my way.

AndyWest, I respectfully beg to differ with you about phillip, his reaction out in the open is just screaming for a flame war. If he had concerns, as a moderator he should have had the sense to express them in PMs with the mods here. As Owl's friend and a admin on his modding forum, I've seen him do some nice things. He can do them, and again, screaming about how he can't do anything in the open is yelling for a flame war. If your posting here is anything like what AAA is like, I'm glad I'm not a member there.

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

From what I've seem of the Owl's past conduct, you'd have to be mad to put him in a position of trust.

And yet he's put me in one, as admin of his modding forum.

Lucas, maybe if you stopped trying to shove what's wrong in his face, you could get somewhere with helping him improve. And he's 14, not 13. Chocktaw, maybe everyone else are the ones acting up. Again, he's 14, not 13. He's got a lot of talent and he knows it. Nearmiss, bravo.

I was once on a forum, and there I was not unlike Owl, though more mature. I remember starting a 6 page flame war with my first topic suggesting a strategy that I later learned would not find any use. Sure, I made my feelings felt, but the main cause of trouble was that the majority of the forum was run by a bunch of @$$holes who were even worse than AAA. I got threatened with banning several times, got into numerous flame wars, got banned from a campaign because of an unintentional rule breaking at the suggestion of one of the @$$holes running the campaign, got at least 2 series of YouTube videos making fun of me, and my profile page spammed. I was 16 when it all started, and my career there ended early last year. I've matured a lot since then, but I'm not convinced that would make any difference there. So everyone, would you please put up with Owl, because he may very well be able to do the things he says he can.

[Rjel]

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

I intend my first post here to be memorable, and without further ado, I shall begin.

Presumptuous too.

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

So everyone, would you please put up with Owl, because he may very well be able to do the things he says he can.

Then perhaps he should just do it without all the drama everywhere he goes. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

Lucas, maybe if you stopped trying to shove what's wrong in his face, you could get somewhere with helping him improve. And he's 14, not 13.

Driver, will you stop defending him blindly without even thinking? It bugs the hell out of me. You always jump onto anyone not supporting him, and usually with personnal offences.

I've tried to help him countless times with his skins, with constructive criticism, not just bashing as you say everyone does.

Of course I will point out more things in his skin than I usually point out (when I do) with experienced skinners' work. That's only because his skins need more improvement than theirs.

Sometimes I get a bit irritated with him, true. But that's only after a childish comment by him. And even them, I don't just jump without a reason.

Driver, you're a good li... lawyer, sometimes. Defending the costumer to the last moment, that's nice

Just some stuff extracted from my posts at Owl's threads, to show you're just overreacting and defending him blindly:

Well Owl, look and learn. This rivets and lines thing can destroy a great skin. It's not a rule that they HAVE to be toned down, or HAVE to be fully visible. The rule is: it MUST look natural. But the question is: how to make them look natural? Well, as I'm also a bad skinner I wasn't supposed to know this one, but, funny thing, I do know the answer: EXPERIENCE.

Mate, I would first try to reduce the size of the red stars on the top.

Plus, that white edge at them doesn't look very nice. Check at Simmers Paint Shop for some files with markings ready for use.

Quite nice, although a bit too 'grainy' (can't find a better word for it), and panel lines are too strong for my taste.

Finally, the thing that bothers me the most: lack of any sort of signs of wear, in a somewhat dull skin.

Constructive, not just saying it's nice independent of what he does

This thread is a quick example of "a bit stressed" with him, plus RL stuff:

http://mission4today.com/index.php?n...ewtopic&t=7308

Sounds agressive? Hell yeah. But it isn't even close to what you say, and there is advice in there.

So please, let's stop joining "coalitions" when it comes to defending or bashing anyone. Fighting should happen on the frontlines, not on the forums.

About his new skin, I can't really judge because it only has one angle and not a very good one for judging. Looking good, but I would need to see more to say anything. Owl, would you bother to show us some profile angles and the belly of it?

(On the age bit, it doesn't matter. He acts like 10 sometimes, so being 13, 14 or 35 means nothing )

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by JG52Driver

AndyWest, I respectfully beg to differ with you about phillip, his reaction out in the open is just screaming for a flame war. If he had concerns, as a moderator he should have had the sense to express them in PMs with the mods here. As Owl's friend and a admin on his modding forum, I've seen him do some nice things. He can do them, and again, screaming about how he can't do anything in the open is yelling for a flame war. If your posting here is anything like what AAA is like, I'm glad I'm not a member there.

And yet he's put me in one, as admin of his modding forum.

Number one, that's owls forum...obviously if that's his site he'll be admin, so that point holds no water.
Second, PM's are wasted on Owl; he posted this topic out in the open for all of us to read and reply, and that we did. Owl has ignored all advise, and only posted back with some skins of his. If TD are after skinners, no offence but they'll choose the best of the bunch. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind, and I think here I am being kind to the community here. Again, no offence meant, but I am entitled to an opinion. (although people should have a say in what they d/l, I will say that much )
My posting is different at AAA because I am a moderator. I have read my posts back and apart from the one near-miss edited (thanks for that) I don't see much wrong with them. My comments may not be nice for Owl, but I can be assured that many people agree with me. Again, I am sorry if I have upset you, but please: Owl is old-enough to reply for himself to our posts, so I will wait his reply in anticipation.

[kristorf]

Question/request answered.

Might be worth locking this now admins before we go to the normal 'war'.