P-38 Stall Characteristics

[JG27CaptStubing]

I would say generally speaking most of the guys playing IL2 don't have experience in any of the planes in the game...

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

I would say generally speaking most of the guys playing IL2 don't have experience in any of the planes in the game...

Some of us know that and some others don't

It's true...there are many unrealistic expectations made out of historical propaganda passed down through books and TV shows and the like. We all know them so I won't mention any of them Those turn in to legitimate beliefs and they are sometimes crushed when they meet IL-2 which tried to do reality as best as they could with a 2001 PC (plus some upgrades since then).

The P-38 does have a funny stall sometimes and some FM bugs... it isn't a super aircraft (nothing is)... it is just an aircraft and the game doesn't simulate it perfectly. Improvements would be great for all aircraft but I and many others are realistic about what is possible and hope for more in the future.

[Crumpp]

I would say generally speaking most of the guys playing IL2 don't have experience in any of the planes in the game...

Don't have experience in any airplanes, in the game or otherwise. If they did they would know it is not lift, thrust, or drag that makes an airplane fly. The airplane flies on money.

they meet IL-2 which tried to do reality as best as they could with a 2001 PC (plus some upgrades since then).

For a PC game it is not bad at all. Most importantly, It is fun.

[Aviar]

Here is another real life video concerning the P-38 stall characteristics, basically confirming the first video I posted. You can jump forward to 04:50 (4 minutes, 50 seconds) to see the pilot demonstrate that the P-38 does not 'flip over' in a stall....it simply drops it's nose straight down until the speed increases.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVsRK...eature=related

Aviar

[AndyJWest]

As far as I can tell, in an unaccelerated stall, the IL-2 P-38 has no tendency to 'flip over' if you keep it straight: This is stick full back, sinking like a stone, but staying level:

In an accelerated stall (a tight turn for instance), it will 'flip' if you pull really hard, but there is ample warning from buffeting.

I doubt if a modern pilot flying a P-38 would treat it sufficiently roughly to make it 'flip', at least intentionally.

[Viking]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_McGuire

He sure flipped!

Regards

Viking

[Crumpp]

the pilot demonstrate that the P-38 does not 'flip over' in a stall.

Most airplanes don't "flip Over" in a stall either.

As far as I can tell, in an unaccelerated stall, the IL-2 P-38 has no tendency to 'flip over' if you keep it straight:

Exactly, that is normal too.

In an accelerated stall (a tight turn for instance), it will 'flip"

As it should....again normal.

Goes right back too:

unrealistic expectations about the performance of the actual aircraft

He sure flipped!

Exactly. He may have further aggravated it by applying asymmetrical power, a very dangerous and risky technique.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

As far as I can tell, in an unaccelerated stall, the IL-2 P-38 has no tendency to 'flip over' if you keep it straight: This is stick full back, sinking like a stone, but staying level:

Indeed. And if you do not use elevator in an climb with idle power, it just will nose down at stall.ing It's exactly what I see in the vids.

[palidian]

Playing online, A 109g2 and a jack were chasing me, the 109 could keep up and the jack gained ground. In addition, most of the late war Russian stuff as the La 5 will out run a p38L.

In Il2 the p38 is stable, and hard to stall.

There still is the rolling issue, the ammo center of gravity issue, and the compressibility issue.

[Luno13]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Indeed. And if you do not use elevator in an climb with idle power, it just will nose down at stall.ing It's exactly what I see in the vids.

+1

What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that in Il-2, the stall is occuring much before the blue "Stall!" warning appears. It's possible to completely stall aircraft without that blue message appearing at all. As such, it's quite useless, except to explain to the noob why he's suddenly corkscrewing uncontrollably and why pulling up more doesn't help.

The P-38 is very docile in game, and only spins out if you really try.

PS - it's important to note that 2 inches back on your joystick is probably equivalent to 40 lbs of force on the real thing