Oleg Maddox's Room #2 QUESTIONS & REQUESTS TO OLEG ABOUT BOB SOW

[96th_Nightshifter]

So basically you are asking for a Spitfire that cannot out turn a 109 and to make sure it has no cannons?

Not hard to guess what side of the channel you will be flying from


The Spitfire shouldn't have cannons anyway, certainly not at the beginning of the BoB but to say it cannot out turn a 109?

[AndyJWest]

the British 20 mm cannon were unreliable and the pilots who had them wanted to go back to the 303's

When? They had reliability problems to start with, they solved them later in the war.

Any simplistic statement about 'X' outturning 'Y' without stating the conditions is practically meaningless.

The majority of RAF kills in the Battle of Britain were scored by Hurricanes...

Need I go on?

[Igo kyu]

I agree with the two posts immediately above mine.

Particularly the Spitfire had lower wing loading than the 109, just look at the wings, the wings of the Spitfire are much bigger, so for aircraft of more or less the same weight the loading is bound to be lower.

In "Luftwaffe Fighter Aces" by Mike Spick, on page 50 we have a table including many things, particularly:

Wing loading Bf 109E-3 32lb/sq ft, Spitfire 1 24lb/sq ft.

[fireflyerz]

Um , High and low wing loadings had bugger all to do with it, it was the spits ability to fly through most of the wing stall that gave its pilot the advantage at low and high speed and the cannon problems wernt fixed untill the feed and eject mechanisms were finally sorted out late 40\41, the 303 s were as a stop gap given an array of tips to make up for the lack of stopping power.

[Icewolf]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TFl8X4y9-94

[AndyJWest]

OK, Icewolf. Which versions of the Spitfire and Bf 109 is Skip Holm talking about? Under what conditions? Were the ones he flew fitted with full military equipment? Were the engines downrated from military WEP standards? Were there restrictions put on the aircraft, due to them being rare warbirds?

Under some conditions, a good Bf 109 pilot might just outturn a Spitfire, but I'd be surprised if that many BoB engagements involved the sort of prolonged turning fights where this would be significant. And, as I've already pointed out, they were often engaged against Hurricanes anyway.

If you want a realistic BoB simulation, the restrictions on Bf-109 endurance caused by limited fuel are going to be a lot more significant than minor differences in best turn rate etc. If you don't want these restrictions to apply, then you aren't simulating the Battle of Britain at all, but some fictitious joust where everyone starts out under the same conditions - if you do that, you may as well make the planes all perform the same too.

Actually, a 'realistic' BoB simulation would need an AI Herman Goering to make idiotic tactical decisions, and ground anyone whe didn't obey them...

[nearmiss]

Many issues with the flight and damage modeling have constantly brought on some very contentious argument and debate over the past years on Il2 forums.

I've often thought how it would be if Oleg released default aircraft, along with flight model specifications and performance charts he actually used to create each aircraft. These default aircraft would be the only ones allowed within online play. I'm saying I believe there are modifications in the aircraft that aren't actual in order to provide more competitive air combat, or a more level playing field.

Wouldn't it be great to have the ability to amend those flight models according to actual full real world performance charts and specifications. These aircraft would be naturally only be flown online servers that allowed for modifications.

The comment made in the video interviews about the war was still being fought and won by the allies...even in games was right on. The 109 weighs 1,500 pounds less why wouldn't it climb faster than a P-51,etc. I did some tests within the FMB awhile back, and the G-2 without gun pods was a stellar performer in the full out climb over just about every aircraft. I think there was one spit model that was a bit better climber. I couldn't test the turn rate adequately, or at least in a way to may a good comparison. So, effectively I think the 109F and 109G2 aren't run down for better online play.

Thanks for the video Icewolf, very interesting.

[imaca]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

I agree with the two posts immediately above mine.

Particularly the Spitfire had lower wing loading than the 109, just look at the wings, the wings of the Spitfire are much bigger, so for aircraft of more or less the same weight the loading is bound to be lower.

In "Luftwaffe Fighter Aces" by Mike Spick, on page 50 we have a table including many things, particularly:

I remember an old " Air Illustrated" magazine which had a report by the RAE (I think) on the 109E. They did comment that the 109E had a tighter turn at low speed than the spitfire (because of slats), but overall were less than impressed - the main problem (apart from the cramped cockpit) they found was poor control harmonization, particularly at high speed elevators (i think) becoming very heavy. The low speed turn advantage would have little practical value in combat - obviously no pilot wants to get into a low energy state and I think Luftwaffe pilots generally kept speed high (BnZ).
Another advantage for the Spit is its large wing root fairings - these lower drag when turning which confers a superior energy retention in turning manouvres - (the 109 has a very abrupt wing/fuselage join)

[zakkandrachoff]

i think that will be great that the Bristol Beaufighter night fighter will be flyable and not the BlenheimIV. The Beau have 4 × 20 mm Hispano Mk III cannon (60 rpg) in nose and 6 × .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine guns (outer starboard wing). and the BlenheimIV only have 4 x .303.

And will be a nice experience fly a night heavy fighter whit radar included whit a big operational range of combat.

"entered service with the Royal Air Force in July 1940. In the winter of 1940 - 1941 the Beaufighter was used as a night fighter"



"German bombers were relatively free from RAF fighters when attacking at night. The Beaufighter represented an ideal platform for this night fighter role. It was fast enough at 360-MPH to catch German bombers, it was heavily armed, and the observers position was an ideal spot to incorporate a radar operators controls. These night fighter versions were painted a matte black. On October 25, 1940 a Beaufighter recorded its first night victory. The Beaus utilized a transmitting antenna mounted on the nose, and receiving antennas mounted on the leading section of both wings."

[Xilon_x]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUTbTvvW92s

Ciao Oleg Maddox this is ultimate movie CORPO AEREO ITALIANO trasfer to belgium and prepare attak to ENGLAND.


ITALIAN PILOTS IN ENGLAND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6iT6oIpkmw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmSjeufbbAA