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[kimosabi]

Well if you should find these claims hard to swallow, Crummp, that is pretty much your problem. So instead of posting USAF and RAF solutions to the droptanks(which has very little to do with the Luftwaffe versions BTW), you could always prove me wrong instead of acting like a wounded pig.

[Crumpp]

I simply point out that your proof is "somebody wrote it on the internet" and you think I am somehow wounded?



The correct response is to find a credible source.

[kimosabi]

No, when you challenge someone upon any matter YOUR correct response would be to counter the info in an orderly fashion using facts, not just going on and on about other solutions that doesn't relate. Otherwise you pretty much come out as a whiner.

Prove me wrong and I'll stand corrected, nemas problemas.

[Crumpp]

What?

You made the claim the Germans couldn't build a drop tank that worked. I asked for your source and you gave out a gaming site that does not reference any sources either.

In fact, it not only makes unsubstantiated claims but erroneously tries to link the issues with the Ta-154 laminates.

The Ta-154 laminates occurred because of the harmonics of the aeroelasticity properties of the wing. Germany did not have the large scale high velocity wind tunnels that would have caught this issue in development. In fact, nobody had them in the 1940's.

The epoxy used was too strong in the Ta-154 for the application and broke down the structure of the supporting wood. The epoxy was changed to a reduced strength formula with more flexibility and this issue was solved.

Your article sounds stupid when it tries to link chemical breakdown of the glue due to fuel and the Ta-154 development.

To test adhesive resistance to chemical compounds simply involves the very difficult process of dropping a hunk of dried glue you think is suitable for your application into a jar of the chemical compound and letting it set. You pull it out on occasion to check to see if the hunk of glue is still solid....

You think maybe the Germans were smart enough to use the industry standard of dropping a chunk of dried glue into a jar of gasoline and watching it for weeks?

[kimosabi]

I find your theories hard to swallow, Crumpp. Got any source on that?

[Crumpp]

I got the report from Focke Wulf on microfiche reel. We are restoring a FW-190 so the Ta-154 stuff is of passing interest. We do have the only Revi-16B for the Schräge Musik complete with calibration tool set know to still exist. We donated it to the Smithsonian.

AFAIK, the a usable quantity of the substitute was not available and the Ta-154 was canceled by Focke Wulf. IIRC, only ~8 Ta-154's were ever built.

You can order the reels here:

Just write them and tell them the specific subject you want. Reels are $30.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/arch...s/captured.cfm

It is the original documentation from the company. The Focke Wulf collection is the largest of the Axis Captured Documents and we access it frequently in our restorations.

Your straw man aside....the discussion is about the claim drop tanks were suspected of exploding....

What person who has first hand knowledge uttered the words or what report investigates the incidents of German drop tanks being "suspected"??

[kimosabi]

Sir Crumpp, since you still haven't provided me with any directsource at all(kinda like that "gaming site" huh?), your arguments are no better than mine. Please drop the patronizing comments and grow a pair. I don't give a crap if you guys build FW190's because they don't relate to the problems they had with the early droptanks. Neither does the 109 E7 because they also used the metal variants, except drag issues ofcourse.

It seems to me your only beef here is about a claim that the early plywood tanks were suspected to self ignite. I don't know if that happened or not but a suspicion is just that, not necessarily documented facts. I don't know who "said it" first either. The Henschel 123's tanks were fitted with an igniter though, so that the tanks would self destruct after they were dropped. Maybe that was the source?

Strawman my @$$. Since you're so eager to show that you're restoring old fighters, I figure you should have more contacts than me on that subject. Use them, then come back here and prove me wrong. As I've said before, I'd be more than happy to correct myself on that claim because, just as you, I'm interested in facts not fiction. For now, my posts still stand.

Thanks for linking me to the Smithsonian though, I'm working on my requests as we speak lol.