"Wings" Of Prey (PC). Watchout Oleg!

[Flanker35M]

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Desode..true In 80's when most of today's IL2 hotshots were still crapping their nappies we were fiddling with the floppies, cassettes and TurboLoaders Commodore 64 was great until Amiga500 came and ruined my day But time goes on and it is youth that rule now..hehe!

As of WoP and IL2. WoP is based on IL2 engine if I am not mistaken, but seems it has been heavily modified. What IL2 engine could take from WoP, making IL2 totally new game would be in my opinion the following:

1) Lighting. Self shadows and lighting in general is improved over IL2.
2) Sound engine. No more cracks, pops or planes heard miles away etc.
3) Code how big cities are handled! Look at demo and Berlin mission, not a single stutter or slowdown even with a lot of action. Seems that WoP let's the GPU do the work instead of CPU.
4) Plane models smoothened out, more detail. He111 for example, compare to IL2 and you know what I mean

Those are some pointers. In general it seems WoP is using newer OpenGL than IL2(has v1.1 I think) and has better performance even under heavy action. So combine the code improvements to IL2 with all the new content and huh, we have a colossal game still..after 10 years of existence! Maybe we should hijack Gaijin guys and persuade them to improve IL2

RoF also shows how IL2 engine can be improved and updated. If IL2 would get a treatment like that it would keep a lot of people with not so HiTech computers very happy SoW will demand a LOT of power if you want both eye candy to the maximum and complex FM/DM. OR Oleg's team have created a code that can simulate all this on a regular desktop machine not requiring a super computer

[Desode]

Yeah I'm a little nervous about SOW and what I'm going to be able to get with it on my PC. I just built this PC a couple of months ago and I don't plan on building another one for a couple of years. I haven't overclocked anything yet so we'll just see when SOW finally gets here. I will be Bummed if I can't run it at pretty high settings.
I'm running ROF at all Max settings so I'm keeping my fingers crossed with Dreams of SOW.


Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black edition 3.00ghz
Ram 4 GB
Mobo: ASUS M3N72-D Nividia 750a sli

Graphic card : GIGABYTE GV-N26SO-896I GeForce GTX 260 Super Overclock 896MB 448-bit GDDR3
Core Clock 680MHz
Shader Clock 1500MHz
Memory Clock 2500MHz

OS :Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit

[Flanker35M]

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SoW will require a very high end machine to run all the bells and whistles. AS you have read, DirectX 11 can use CPU to calculate those gfx gimmicks the GPU does not support. And we know that the FM/DM/AI are already calculated by the CPU so this is only extra stress to it thus lowering performance. SoW will be way more complicated and will require a lot of horsepower, but that is the price to pay for more fidelity and all that

It is surprising how well IL2 engine still holds on after 10 years. Modified in RoF and WoP and see what you get! Totally new effects, smoother gameplay etc. Just a wet dream that the code improvements could be brought to IL2, especially how it handles big cities etc. In WoP Berlin map with tons of buildings did not slow down my rig at all with all maxed out in 1920x1200! In IL2 the same would just make my rig do the slide show

Intel i7 920 CPU
Intel DX58SO motherboard + HD Audio enabled
XFX 5870HD 1Gb graphics card
24" BenQ 16:10 screen
Windows 7 64-bit (home premium)
etc yadda yadda

[Chromius]

Ok so full real sims do not gather the kiddies and relaxed players that form the masses and bring in the dollars.

So what, that does not mean that we need to take a step BACK realism/simulation wise in flight sims. Why cant WoP have a full real settings and a relaxed settings, thus catering to the needs of both parties. Though this would have to include missions from take off to landing.

I am tired of seeing many things take a step back because it does not cater to the masses, look at how the trend in TV and entertainment is to dumb everything down to satisfy everyone.

As for myself I wont support WoP in any way as a serious simmer, I would say it is a great sim for relaxed players, but I do not want that to be the trend that simulations follow. I would rather have people like myself who get shot down a lot in a fighter in full real mp IL-2, stick with it vs jumping ship to something easier and more accessible but hey that's me just being selfish.

I guess I am happy for people that are enjoying it, but many here probably have very different views of the differences of what makes an acceptable Simulation.

Ill always hold out for the most realistic thing. Dont let IL-2 go the way of Papyrus's Nascar series, Falcon 4.0 , Baldurs Gate. (Thank god we are getting SH5)

I am so narrowminded I think I might get some type of "ANTI-Console Gamer" bumpersticker, lol (JK)

[Desode]

Originally Posted by Chromius

Ok so full real sims do not gather the kiddies and relaxed players that form the masses and bring in the dollars.

So what, that does not mean that we need to take a step BACK realism/simulation wise in flight sims. Why cant WoP have a full real settings and a relaxed settings, thus catering to the needs of both parties. Though this would have to include missions from take off to landing.

I am tired of seeing many things take a step back because it does not cater to the masses, look at how the trend in TV and entertainment is to dumb everything down to satisfy everyone.

As for myself I wont support WoP in any way as a serious simmer, I would say it is a great sim for relaxed players, but I do not want that to be the trend that simulations follow. I would rather have people like myself who get shot down a lot in a fighter in full real mp IL-2, stick with it vs jumping ship to something easier and more accessible but hey that's me just being selfish.

I guess I am happy for people that are enjoying it, but many here probably have very different views of the differences of what makes an acceptable Simulation.

Ill always hold out for the most realistic thing. Dont let IL-2 go the way of Papyrus's Nascar series, Falcon 4.0 , Baldurs Gate. (Thank god we are getting SH5)

I am so narrowminded I think I might get some type of "ANTI-Console Gamer" bumpersticker, lol (JK)

Well, to each their own. I guess I'm not a serious simmer since I play DCS and Rof and Il2 and then screw my reputation up by playing a "relaxed SIM like WOP" !

Darn it ! I so wanted to call my self a Serious Simmer ! Where is my Lolly pop and cookies ! I don't want to cry myself to sleep ! LOL


Sorry man, all in good fun I just found that kind of funny.

I'm more concerned with games not using dedicated servers then anything else.
I campaign against that with everything I have in me !
Thanks for the post , Desode

[jippy13]

Privet Oleg,

First, thank you a lot for all the good time I spent playing IL2.

Like some simmers in this forum, I tested the demo version of WoP, and I was really impressed by the detailed graphics of this game, especially during overflights near cities or coasts

However I would not say that this game is a real flight simulator,like IL2. I would say it is between an arcade game and a real flight sim.

But Oleg, please, give us more item on the future bob that should come out this year. The little movie file you posted, is better than nothing, but a beta version of BoB would be a sacred gift for all fans of il2 who are waiting bob as the messiah.

Anyway, Oleg, I really hope that BoB will be released this year and that it will be as successful as its predecessor IL2 because of its graphic qualities and characteristics unique to real flight simulator.

Bonne année 2010 et meilleurs voeux

С новым 2010 годом и наилучшие пожелания

[Flanker35M]

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Hard core simmer or not, there are several things in WoP and RoF that clearly show how much IL2 engine can be improved with new code without a totally new GFX engine. IL2 original engine is like 10 years old now and there has not been any major updates in the code even hardware has improved since release.

WoP and RoF take advantage of this and it shows with far better performance in certain conditions, like over cities and with lot of fire/smoke and other action around. If these new code improvements could be brought to IL2 then it's life could be extended a lot longer for those who do not have the money to upgrade for SoW. Because the truth is that you will not run SoW at maximum settings and get smooth game play with most of the "regular" hardware people have these days. The majority still run "normal" machines, not these overclocked high eng beasts. These geeks are a minority or most of them play FPS games mostly.