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Old 12-18-2009, 02:36 PM
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the P47 (if modelled accuratly after patch) shouldnt be to good at dogfighting, but will get you kills if flown right.

Someone on your 6? then dive! the jug did this extremely well!! it can get away from anything in a dive. Turning wont help to much.

You have enough firepower to take an enemy fighter down quickly, so shouldnt have to dogfight long. Just hit and run. That quick short burst on him before he even knew you were their should of been enough to cripple him.

In strike i find this plane to perform best. Its fast and has a great array of weapons. Get in hit the target and get out.
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:49 PM
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the P47 (if modelled accuratly after patch) shouldnt be to good at dogfighting, but will get you kills if flown right.

Someone on your 6? then dive! the jug did this extremely well!! it can get away from anything in a dive. Turning wont help to much.

You have enough firepower to take an enemy fighter down quickly, so shouldnt have to dogfight long. Just hit and run. That quick short burst on him before he even knew you were their should of been enough to cripple him.

In strike i find this plane to perform best. Its fast and has a great array of weapons. Get in hit the target and get out.
ahh but you havent got the speed to do hit n runs
the p47 is great though i can take out 3 b17s with the same p47 whilst sitting on there six and reciving loads of fire
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:11 PM
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ahh but you havent got the speed to do hit n runs
the p47 is great though i can take out 3 b17s with the same p47 whilst sitting on there six and reciving loads of fire
Sorry my fault i didnt explain well enough it was assuming you had height over your enemy. Dive down on him and get the bullets into him, this is where your speed comes from.
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:12 PM
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Sorry my fault i didnt explain well enough it was assuming you had height over your enemy. Dive down on him and get the bullets into him, this is where your speed comes from.
true but if your going to have a height advantage then you need to climb so if you dont do it in 1 pass ur stuffed
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:41 PM
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true but if your going to have a height advantage then you need to climb so if you dont do it in 1 pass ur stuffed
Which is why you make sure your shots count

Joking aside -

The P47 wasnt all that bad in a climb, sure the earlier models were which is why to evade the luftwaffe used to go into a steep climb, but as the later models came out (this game depicts a D) they had a fairly good rate of climb, and a superb roll rate. And above 30,000ft they were quite nimble

though they were not the dogfighter - the P51 was around for that. This "jug" was good at ground attack, thats where she belongs

its what i use her for.
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Old 12-18-2009, 04:57 PM
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I may be retarded but how does one unlock the Jug again???
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Old 12-18-2009, 05:15 PM
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I may be retarded but how does one unlock the Jug again???

I unlocked it by giving the playstation store $9.99
The DLC came with the Jug, and a few more single play missions. I love the plane, but the lack of missions for it is a bummer. This game would be a gold mine if it had a simple mission editor. Anyways.......

I think only pre-orders received the Jug for free.
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Old 12-18-2009, 06:42 PM
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Which is why you make sure your shots count

Joking aside -

The P47 wasnt all that bad in a climb, sure the earlier models were which is why to evade the luftwaffe used to go into a steep climb, but as the later models came out (this game depicts a D) they had a fairly good rate of climb, and a superb roll rate. And above 30,000ft they were quite nimble

though they were not the dogfighter - the P51 was around for that. This "jug" was good at ground attack, thats where she belongs

its what i use her for.

You know Ive never had a proper dogfight at 30,000 ft in this game, not even in training. I will have to try it sometime, the P47 could be the best plane at that hight in this game and only a few people would ever know it.
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Old 12-19-2009, 12:32 AM
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You know Ive never had a proper dogfight at 30,000 ft in this game, not even in training. I will have to try it sometime, the P47 could be the best plane at that hight in this game and only a few people would ever know it.
pretty uncommon for two fighters to stop and dogfight at 30,000 feet - those that can even fly that high, that is... unless there's bombers around

I don't call p51 a dogfighter, but enough about that... the p47 had vicious machine guns, but was the heaviest world war 2 fighter built by the US, its wing loading was over 50 lbs/square foot with a full tank, and its range was too short for it to be effective for US objectives which were mainly: send bombers long distances and protect them with escorts, and find tanks and blow them up. So they were glad to replace it with the p51 for those reasons.

There were other American planes that were much better at dogfighting. Considering BOP is designed for low-altitude and short-range fights, with the average lifespan of a plane about 1 minute, it woulda been better to have the p-39 and p-40. They had weak engines but they were great fighters. The p-63 had a good engine and was a great fighter.

I was just testing some planes against bombers in training, the 109k, 190 and la7, using both bnz and weave tactics. The german planes were better at the weave, though only the 190 could attack up and down without falling into the gunners cone. The la7 was immortal at bnz, and torn to ribbons at weaving. Its cannons aren't powerful enough to kill the plane before the gunner gets lucky.
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