The Perfect DLC for this X-Mas :(

[Wissam24]

Did they drop the Il-2 name from it? Is that a mixed blessing do you think?

I wish I could preorder it but my computer can't handle Rollercoaster 2 let along new games

[Houndstone Hawk]

Originally Posted by Wissam24

Did they drop the Il-2 name from it? Is that a mixed blessing do you think?

I wish I could preorder it but my computer can't handle Rollercoaster 2 let along new games

Definately a no-brainer to drop the IL-2 Sturmovik with the PC equivalent. The console customers have been fobbed with something that is absolutely nothing like the original IL-2 & so putting WOP onto PC while 1946 is still so popular, & having Storm of War just around the corner, without the IL-2 STURMOVIK in the name would be a very prudent move.
Just wish they'd have done the same to this title. Would've saved me alot of money, time & posts.

[Wissam24]

Damn this terrible, terrible laptop

[PantherAttack2]

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

Just wish they'd have done the same to this title. Would've saved me alot of money, time & posts.

You had control over all of those.

[Houndstone Hawk]

Originally Posted by PantherAttack2

You had control over all of those.

How'd you figure? Can you tell all from just a demo? Where's the t/o & landing? (ala IL-2) must be in the full game! Where's the after mission replay? (also IL-2 trademark), must obviously be in the full game ..... and on and on.

Read the reviews "legendary title comes to console" that'll do for me, go buy it. Took it as read that every popular flyable plane would have it's cockpit, well you would wouldn't you, after all it's name suggests ..... it's IL-2!!!

Dont take this personally & I have alot of respect for ppl on this site (yourself included) but I, like others here, am old enough to have experienced times when games WERE great. They never cut corners. I'm going way back to the days of elite etc.

I've played alot of console games & alot of pc sims in my 41 years & I'd like to think I've picked up on some knowledge of this subject over the years. All I'm saying is it's a very wise move for Wings of Prey to drop the IL-2 before it hits PC for fear of it's ability to survive. And will I buy it??? Hell yeah! Now I know what to expect, sure I will.

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

...but I, like others here, am old enough to have experienced times when games WERE great. They never cut corners. I'm going way back to the days of elite etc.

Like everything else, big business moved in and its all about getting the product to market with as little cost as possible. The industry is old enough now to have established guidelines for cost-effectiveness, and also projects are too involved to be handled by just a couple of guys (and therefore a couple of salaries). It's sad, but it's the way of the capitalist

On the plus side, games are a hell of a lot more user friendly and polished than they used to be. Just download some PS1 games off the PSN store and see how shockingly unfriendly and rough they can be. And I'm talking about classics like Command & Conquer and Syndicate Wars too, not small titles.

I'm really sorry for all the guys that came into BoP with high expectations from an established franchise. I came in with zero experience of the IL2 name and this game is the best thing since sliced bread. But then I've always maintained that appreciation for something is relative to expectations. No longer to I make the mistake of telling my friends film X, Y or Z is awesome. I just say it's all right and worth checking - I find they enjoy it more then.

[Deascendent]

"the way of the capitalist?? "

WTF? In any other form of government/economy games would be a shit ton worse, wtf is up with all the anti capitalism rhetoric going around these days?? There is not a SINGLE system out there that could or will EVER work better. Ideological idiotic liberalism is taking over every avenue of thought these days... wow, people love to complain about things they don't know anything.. and even worse... they don't have ANY viable replacement for what they're advocating against.

Oh, and enough of the crap about how game makers just want to get their product to market as quick and cheap as possible.. you do realize that idea is complete bullshit, people are smarter than that, most companies realize that with a little more investment and innovation in the product, the gains in more demand will make the extra work worth the effort... god, I can't believe I used to mumble the same liberal ideology... again, people just LOVE to complain without knowing how good we have it... pathetic.


Sorry for the rant.

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by Deascendent

"the way of the capitalist?? "

WTF? In any other form of government/economy games would be a shit ton worse, wtf is up with all the anti capitalism rhetoric going around these days?? There is not a SINGLE system out there that could or will EVER work better. Ideological idiotic liberalism is taking over every avenue of thought these days... wow, people love to complain about things they don't know anything.. and even worse... they don't have ANY viable replacement for what they're advocating against.

You feel better? I was talking about how business practises don't work in favour of the consumer, unless it happens to coincide with a practise that also benefits the business as well. I was not commenting on systems of government or ideologies. But it sounds like you had an issue you needed to air.

Originally Posted by Deascendent

Oh, and enough of the crap about how game makers just want to get their product to market as quick and cheap as possible.. you do realize that idea is complete bullshit, people are smarter than that, most companies realize that with a little more investment and innovation in the product, the gains in more demand will make the extra work worth the effort... god, I can't believe I used to mumble the same liberal ideology... again, people just LOVE to complain without knowing how good we have it... pathetic.


Sorry for the rant.

That's just not true. Publishers realise that even great games can sink in the market without trace, while the crappiest film license game can and probably will sell tonnes of units despite a critical panning. And why do you think some of the bigger publishers are now happy to put out what essentially amount to betas and then patch them later if the demand requires it? Because it saves them money. Similarly I see time and again cool features get cut in favour of reduced developement and QA time. How does that benefit the end-user?

My point was reinforcing the good and valid point hawk made - games used to be produced with a lot more love and care than they are today. Partly because the business men didn't really understand the creative process involved, and partly because the teams required were a lot smaller.

Just out of interest, do you work in the games industry?

[Rufus_the_Rat]

Originally Posted by Deascendent

There is not a SINGLE system out there that could or will EVER work better.