Discrepancies to point out

[DGDobrev]

Weird. Now why do I managed to get the trap medal to lvl 3 by fight No. 97? Because I'm a mage? Good. Fine, good point. Now why did I manage to get the trap medal to lvl 3 on my 142nd fight as a paladin with only 14 intellect?

After I'm done with the mage on impossible, I'll do an impossible playthrough as a warrior and see by what point I can get that medal to lvl 3. Calinda already did it. Check the high score thread. I know he's a hardcore player, but this also means that everyone can do it.

However, I still do not understand why you people are so displeased with that medal. It is hard to get. Get over it and start devising tactics that can utilize it fully. Also keep in mind that as soon as you get 1-2 traps on the field, the medal pretty much improves itself, as many enemy troops would step on it and die.

Also, suffice it to sat that this game can be played in various ways - not only by using Target + Magic shield.

[Mandea]

I dont know how you managed but let me tell you how manny things I have to try to achieve in every single fight, especially in the beginning:
- no loss
- chest hunt
- poison or burning (arrows etc)
- trap
- use as much rage as possible.
- use bless/resurection/sotne skin or any other spell for a medal
so I feel like I'm being used, like being kept in a tight leash.

maybe I try to achieve too manny things at once. but if I succeed, the rest of the game is much easier.

[Urbz]

Originally Posted by Mandea

I dont know how you managed but let me tell you how manny things I have to try to achieve in every single fight, especially in the beginning:
- no loss
- chest hunt
- poison or burning (arrows etc)
- trap
- use as much rage as possible.
- use bless/resurection/sotne skin or any other spell for a medal
so I feel like I'm being used, like being kept in a tight leash.

maybe I try to achieve too manny things at once. but if I succeed, the rest of the game is much easier.

I think alot of players do this to a certain extent ( myself included ) because achievemnts are just simply a great way to enhance a game.
No one is telling us how to play though, you dont get extra score for the medals ( gladly I guess ) so you can play how you want, which is great!


@ DGDobrev: it's simple, most people are just hard/impossible to please. I'd personally love more harder medals/achievements, anyhow I love the feature which is all that matters, fun counts is my motto!

[Mandea]

yeah, ok, but when you add into ecuation a tough difficulty level every fight seems like chess, and I'm sorry, had I wanted to play chess, I would have played chess.
a lot of time is save/load.

to me it doesn't have logic with trap being used for final blow. but that's just me

[Meow]

Yeah somehow these medals aren't working out to be much fun for me either.

I'd agree with the sentiments that traps should be for units killed, or number of groups stopped, or something sensible.

But something is just not right with the whole process. My games consist of walling of a unit and berzerking him 10x in a row each battle. I then move on to stone skin 10x in a row. I use inquisitors and phantom to summon endless rage to level my dragon. And I dig three chests every battle. And I wall off, sleep, whatever the enemy each battle until I get that done. I've used 3000 rage now in 9 battles. I wouldn't call that fun... but the game heavily rewards such play.

I head into each battle not with the intention to decimate the enemy as best I can, but rather to tick off as many medal check boxes as I can, and to lvl my dragon as much as possible.

In an ideal game I shouldn't have to choose between fun or making the most out of my character. That's what mmorpgs are for.

[Urbz]

Originally Posted by Meow

Yeah somehow these medals aren't working out to be much fun for me either.

I'd agree with the sentiments that traps should be for units killed, or number of groups stopped, or something sensible.

But something is just not right with the whole process. My games consist of walling of a unit and berzerking him 10x in a row each battle. I then move on to stone skin 10x in a row. I use inquisitors and phantom to summon endless rage to level my dragon. And I dig three chests every battle. And I wall off, sleep, whatever the enemy each battle until I get that done. I've used 3000 rage now in 9 battles. I wouldn't call that fun... but the game heavily rewards such play.

I head into each battle not with the intention to decimate the enemy as best I can, but rather to tick off as many medal check boxes as I can, and to lvl my dragon as much as possible.

In an ideal game I shouldn't have to choose between fun or making the most out of my character. That's what mmorpgs are for.

I do actually agree to a certain extent, also after kiting pretty die-hard in my impossible paladin without losses game I just wish kiting chart guardians wasnt an option.
It's simply too tempting to do if you cba with it, especially if you want to play without losses, either for the medal or the whole game.
I'm now back at debir without having killed anything there ( think ive had like 4 battles ) on a lvl 16 paladin with 54xx leadership and 3 archdemon, 2 tirex, 24 paladins etc. and fully stuffed with items, just spamming spells and such to gain more medals pretty much like your said, can't say it's much fun really.

[DGDobrev]

It is normal to feel like that in the beginning - I did too in my current game. Wait will you get to the boss battles, castle sieges, and the tougher heroes that spam geyser like crazy. It is in those battles where a no-loss game is decided.

[supersonu1]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Well, if he'll always bite, in that case the medal shouldn't be so hard to get and we shouldn't be having this little debate

But DGD we are NOT I repeat NOT discussing toughness of the trap medal. We are discussing the medal requirement for trap medal doesn't make an iota of sense with the purpose of trap spell.

Originally Posted by Meow

Yeah somehow these medals aren't working out to be much fun for me either.

I'd agree with the sentiments that traps should be for units killed, or number of groups stopped, or something sensible.

But something is just not right with the whole process. My games consist of walling of a unit and berzerking him 10x in a row each battle. I then move on to stone skin 10x in a row. I use inquisitors and phantom to summon endless rage to level my dragon. And I dig three chests every battle. And I wall off, sleep, whatever the enemy each battle until I get that done. I've used 3000 rage now in 9 battles. I wouldn't call that fun... but the game heavily rewards such play.

I head into each battle not with the intention to decimate the enemy as best I can, but rather to tick off as many medal check boxes as I can, and to lvl my dragon as much as possible.

In an ideal game I shouldn't have to choose between fun or making the most out of my character. That's what mmorpgs are for.

You have absolutely nailed the point!
In most fight by the end of 3rd turn i have completely destroyed the most enemy stacks save for one melee unit. Then I cast slow on the unit and use my dragon' push ability to keep knocking that unit back to starting point while i cast as much as stone-skin spell, fire spell, shield spell and inquisitor's holy rage ability and what not for 3-4 mind bogglingly boring turns to level up my medals.

Let me tell you when i was playing KBTL a year ago i was giving that game 5+ hrs sitting in one session. Here in KBAP i get bored after a single hour of uselessly leveling up medal and decide to play after some time.

[DGDobrev]

Well, as the saying goes, to each one his own I, for one, love to level up the medals. Gives me something else to do, and to strive for.

[DGDobrev]

Well, I managed to do it in pretty much every single battle, even on impossible. There were a few tough battles where I didn't manage to do it fully, but that is to be expected.

Here's my battle stats. I'm sorry for the sloppy cutting and pasting in Paint, but that was the fastest I can do on such short notice

NOTE: 150 battles is what I did so far. I'm just getting to the orc lands, so my +int medal is about to rise.