Undead Warrior no losses?

[DGDobrev]

Hmm, I wouldn't use bone dragons, since you can't heal them. That I would use is Tirexes. They can eat a dead body and regain their full HP, and when they kill an enemy, they eat it up (unless it is a plant, machanical, undead, etc.) and restore their HP. However, mixing a high-HP unit in an undead army will result in certain morale penalties for the Tirex (-1, Low).

However, I think you may try that with red dragons. The Red Dragon has 870 HP, and can survive a lvl 1 sacrifice. Then you can heal them up. As for the charm-sacrifice, I think it still works. Hypnosis-sacrifice should also work.

[Infiltrator]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Hmm, I wouldn't use bone dragons, since you can't heal them. That I would use is Tirexes. They can eat a dead body and regain their full HP, and when they kill an enemy, they eat it up (unless it is a plant, machanical, undead, etc.) and restore their HP. However, mixing a high-HP unit in an undead army will result in certain morale penalties for the Tirex (-1, Low).

However, I think you may try that with red dragons. The Red Dragon has 870 HP, and can survive a lvl 1 sacrifice. Then you can heal them up. As for the charm-sacrifice, I think it still works. Hypnosis-sacrifice should also work.

Wow, seems like the game is really rigged against undead. Yea I also used hypnotize + sacrifice but since I was considering to go with a warrior I take it I won't have so much mana for that kind of stunt.

I guess you could also sacrifice ancient vampires? It does seem risky though..

[DGDobrev]

Sure you can You can also sacrifice the Cursed Ghosts, as both of them recover their lost troops when attacking. However, you never know when a unit will get above its max leadership and if it goes out of control, it can do more damage to you than the enemy So you're right that it's risky. Still, it is easily settled by a quick "heal" to remove that extra unit or two.

[Infiltrator]

Yeah.. I am a bit undecided. I'll go through the unit and spell stats.. can't believe they haven't incorporated a hero spell that revives undead..

edit: there DOES appear to be an undead-healing spell in the destruction school, at least from what I can understand. I can't understand much of it, the icon is purple/black and it does damage to living stacks and heals undead.

[Kathos]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

Sure you can You can also sacrifice the Cursed Ghosts, as both of them recover their lost troops when attacking. However, you never know when a unit will get above its max leadership and if it goes out of control, it can do more damage to you than the enemy So you're right that it's risky. Still, it is easily settled by a quick "heal" to remove that extra unit or two.

I've often thought about trying an undead hero in KBTL but I just never got around to it, and I was really hoping to try it in AP perhaps. Maybe not right away with no losses but we'll see as I only like to play games on the hardest difficulty =)
However regarding your post, are you saying that life draining units (cursed ghosts, ancient vampires) can create new units above your leadership? I always thought they would just heal back up to however many you came into the battle with, like in the HOMM games (minus the rigged ghosts in HOMM2, peasant feast!)

[Urbz]

Originally Posted by Kathos

I've often thought about trying an undead hero in KBTL but I just never got around to it, and I was really hoping to try it in AP perhaps. Maybe not right away with no losses but we'll see as I only like to play games on the hardest difficulty =)
However regarding your post, are you saying that life draining units (cursed ghosts, ancient vampires) can create new units above your leadership? I always thought they would just heal back up to however many you came into the battle with, like in the HOMM games (minus the rigged ghosts in HOMM2, peasant feast!)

I tried this on KBTL although I think i played a mage ( on either hard or impossible, not sure ) and although it wasnt "no-losses"I actually almost finished the game, was at the big orc just before the final battle, I should really try to finish it sometime although i might've uninstalled the game apparently.
But yeah playing with undead is awesome !, indeed mainly the ( cursed ) ghosts and vampires is sweet but dont forget units like the black knights, necromancers and skeleton archers ( esp with dragon arrow ) they're also are pretty awesome and really under-rated, and even zombies could be amore usefull now with the "Pass" skill.
Also if there's cemetaries around be sure to kite enemies into it, for sweet bonusses.
There were not many places to get the units though, and even less so in this game ( at least at the start ) although diplomacy and some luck with with undead spawns will help alot. So you might have to "cheat" and use the living till you can get a decent army, i doubt no losses is doable but meh who cares really, fun counts and using undead is quite fun imo!

[Kathos]

Don't get me started on those skel archers, that black arrow is strong! They were always my first choice in any fight to kill or at least dwindle down before worrying about the less threatening vampires/ghosts.
But yea thats one of the main reasons I could never find the motivationg to go through with an undead hero. The bigger skills were so deep in the talent tree, and it took a while to get into the cemetery to really get some of the units. At best all there really was to recruit was some zombies skeletons and ghosts. I found Vampires and Necromancers to be quite a rare find. And I always thought it would be cheating a little to pick up inquisitors just becaus of tolerance =p
If anybody has some advice on starting an undead hard/impossible of any class (preferably paladin, always been my fav of the 3) it would be much appreciated, seems like it could be an even bigger challenge than the normal no-loss with whatever units you can scrape up.

[DGDobrev]

As for the outgrowing the leadership, I remember having this problem once in KBTL. It may have been fixed in KBAP. We'll have to try it out.

[Metathron]

This might sound like a crazy idea, but why not forget about no loss and just have fun with the undead?

[Tiagop]

Originally Posted by metathron

this might sound like a crazy idea, but why not forget about no loss and just have fun with the undead?

yeah :d