Title update update

[dazz1971]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates

God, I am sick to death of hearing about the P bloody 51 and the other couple of dodgy planes. There 40 odd fkin planes in the game. Fly another one. Plus, the P51 was as broken in the demo as it is in the final game. Maybe you should have tried that and saved yourself and ourselves all the moaning?
so if you brought a box of chocolates and all but 4 were rotten you wouldnt demand a refund then ???


This is ignorant and wrong. Developers are at the mercy of publishers. And 505 games, despite what a lot of you may think, do deserve credit, not only for taking the gamble with this niche product at a time when the whole world is desperate for revenue, but also for putting out the patch, despite the delay.yeah there great publishers i emailed them over a month ago asking in a polite maner about the patch they couldnt even be bothred to reply and they have now in antons own words forbidden the devs to mention anything about them yes they deserve credit for great customer service not!!! wether they took a risk or not if the product any company release is broken they fail lets look at the car manufacturers for an example if they relesed a model that was broken they do a product recall not bury there heads in the sand and hope noone notices ???


I think this is the core of your's and all other PC converts problem... You had massive expectations for this game, and as such it didn't meet them. It's not the dev's or the publisher's fault that the product that they've released doesn't meet your expectations. But those of us that evaluate it on it's own merits, and not what it could have or should have been, are having fun with it.well if it doesnt meet the standards of previous il2 games it shouldnt bear the ill2 name then should it all that will achive is drag the good product name of il2 down


Again, ignorant and niave about the workings of the game industry. Publishers don't give a crap what gamers want. They look at their spreadsheet of what sells and make more of it until it stops selling. Now and then the odd publisher will take a risk on something, like 505 did with BoP. But when it gets thrown back in their face it's going to make them less inclined to do so. So it's behaviour like yours that is endangering these sorts of releases.

so the fact that the game needs a patch as its broken and doesnt furfill what it says it does on the back of the case wont harm this game genre then ?


all this arguing about this game is crud its took what was when i first came here a great and tight comunity and split it down the middle and made us all cranky and bitchy at each other i put most of that down to all this waiting for a patch and the fact that 505 game cant even be bothered to inform the very comunity that was supporting this game by simply making a single post to reasure ppl that the patch was even coming


rant over

[Raw Kryptonite]

The P-51 handling has been explained and makes perfect sense. The plane is right, just not set for immediate combat flight. It's not the model that's wrong. It'll get tweaked.
I've had plenty of games I enjoyed that had a lot more flaws than this one and I didn't let it drive me off. If you want a perfect game these days, you won't get it. They're too complex and too easy to patch later. Just how it is, we aren't playing space invaders anymore. Point out issues but the incessant bitching gets old and just annoys the other fans, since most associated with the game itself won't even be around to read it.

[philabong2]

Originally Posted by Raw Kryptonite

The P-51 handling has been explained and makes perfect sense. The plane is right, just not set for immediate combat flight. It's not the model that's wrong. It'll get tweaked.
I've had plenty of games I enjoyed that had a lot more flaws than this one and I didn't let it drive me off. If you want a perfect game these days, you won't get it. They're too complex and too easy to patch later. Just how it is, we aren't playing space invaders anymore. Point out issues but the incessant bitching gets old and just annoys the other fans, since most associated with the game itself won't even be around to read it.

QFT
there's no such thing as a perfect game, and prob never will (maybe exept for MGS3-4 I went completly nuts over these titles, matter of opinion tho). Lets not kid ourselves here. This game offers a great gaming experience, the little tweaks will prob make it even better (joysticks and other stuff def cant hurt)... but if u cant enjoy this game as it is right now, you prob wont like it even after the patch came in.

[The M00ps]

Originally Posted by Raw Kryptonite

They're too complex and too easy to patch later.

Agreed. But almost 3 months to fix some very basic flaws that should have never made it past QA? C'mon, even EA is more responsive than that. Regardless of who's fault it is, it has effectively killed the online community for this game. What could've really been a gem is going to become a bargain bin queen.

Sadly, I watched Battlestations: Pacific go down the same way. At least Eidos had an excuse, as they went under not long after release.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by The M00ps

Agreed. But almost 3 months to fix some very basic flaws that should have never made it past QA? C'mon, even EA is more responsive than that.

What? Like the BF2 patch that was in beta for a year? Or the 2142 patch that was in beta for a year? Or Mercs 2 that is still totally bugged on PC? Or Hellgate London that shutdown 1 year after release?

Sorry but EA are one of the WORST offenders for late patching, non existant support, and helluva bugged games. And before someone pulls out something like BioShock, that didnt get a patch for 4 months after release and even then it was only a "lite" patch doing bugger all to help. Or how about HAWX that didnt get its absolutely required patch (due to huge game flaws) for 8 months?

In short, unless its an MMO or a huge blockbuster title then patches are always going to be later than people want them. In BoP's case 4 months is average for a game title to get a full patch, thats actually adding features and not fixing critical showstoping bugs.

[Ancient Seraph]

Originally Posted by Lexandro

What? Like the BF2 patch that was in beta for a year? Or the 2142 patch that was in beta for a year? Or Mercs 2 that is still totally bugged on PC? Or Hellgate London that shutdown 1 year after release?

Sorry but EA are one of the WORST offenders for late patching, non existant support, and helluva bugged games. And before someone pulls out something like BioShock, that didnt get a patch for 4 months after release and even then it was only a "lite" patch doing bugger all to help. Or how about HAWX that didnt get its absolutely required patch (due to huge game flaws) for 8 months?

In short, unless its an MMO or a huge blockbuster title then patches are always going to be later than people want them. In BoP's case 4 months is average for a game title to get a full patch, thats actually adding features and not fixing critical showstoping bugs.

+1
And again, I think it's useless to keep on talking on how publishers suck etc. We have no idea how the whole system works, who answers to who, etc.

[Deascendent]

Bottom line is that the so called "community", doesn't exist anymore and people that bought and enjoyed the multiplayer are upset with such a massive tease, just a few changes and it could have been a cult classic hit like consoles have never seen before... who knows if even a perfect patch could bring people back.

[Lexandro]

Originally Posted by Deascendent

Bottom line is that the so called "community", doesn't exist anymore and people that bought and enjoyed the multiplayer are upset with such a massive tease, just a few changes and it could have been a cult classic hit like consoles have never seen before... who knows if even a perfect patch could bring people back.

So says you, who has barely even bothered to join in with the "community" you said doesn't exist. Its patently obvious that your wrong, as the community does exist, as this here forum clearly shows.

I bought it and still enjoy multiplayer, and I am not bothered when the patch comes out. A patch wont make the game any better as a title, it will simply add a couple of features and clear up some things that the MP game could do with.

Frankly I'm getting sick and tired of all the whinging by so called "members", its almost as if none of you have even bought a game before.

[simfan]

This promised BoP patch is an added bonus for an already unique experience.
(BTW I am a software dev myself (unfortunately not in developping games/sims, which is probably about the hardest thing one could set out to do).
Dunno about BoP, but in general when we talk about software users:
- some users will never ever be satisfied
- some will always claim (your) software is not ready
- some people will never even try to find and admit there is good in anything
- flaws in almost everything are a fact of life, some flaws only due to limited resources.
I have nothing but admiration for these devs (and publishers) that have an almost impossible task to satisfy the most demanding people of all: (hardcore) simmers.
Thx 1C/505/devs for this beautiful game/sim.
"Approve or Improve".

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by simfan

This promised BoP patch is an added bonus for an already unique experience.
(BTW I am a software dev myself (unfortunately not in developping games/sims, which is probably about the hardest thing one could set out to do).
Dunno about BoP, but in general when we talk about software users:
- some users will never ever be satisfied LOL
- some will always claim (your) software is not ready Usually the programmer
- some people will never even try to find and admit there is good in anything LOLx2
- flaws in almost everything are a fact of life, some flaws only due to limited resources. and/or time
I have nothing but admiration for these devs (and publishers) that have an almost impossible task to satisfy the most demanding people of all: (hardcore) simmers.
Thx 1C/505/devs for this beautiful game/sim.
"Approve or Improve".

Quoted for truth. Amen, bro.