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[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

lol no it bloody didn't, its half made, and BADLY coded, its broken, and is NOT great out of the box, hence the dwindling numbers, dont get me wrong its a good effort (sort of) but lets not kid ourselves. The only reason you think its great and you have everyone elses support, is because everyone else has left.

Well 79% on GameRankings over 12 reviews kind of indicates otherwise. I would be interested to hear what half you think is missing... There's a good campaign, and shyte load of extra single missions and fun online. Admittedly the online generates the impression it's empty when it wasn't, which wasn't good for the title, but I'm still interested to know how you think everything on the disk only constitutes half a game?

And what makes you say it's badly coded? In caps no less. You're entitled to your opinion of course, and if you don't like the game that's fine. But don't make statements about it that are false. Give examples.

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

How the HELL can you say this was perfect as is out the box?

No-one said it was perfect, but it is good. The patch will be welcome, but even if it doesn't come, this game is up the with the best of my collection. My opinion, and clearly it's different from yours.

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

Fly the P-51, fly the P-47...

God, I am sick to death of hearing about the P bloody 51 and the other couple of dodgy planes. There 40 odd fkin planes in the game. Fly another one. Plus, the P51 was as broken in the demo as it is in the final game. Maybe you should have tried that and saved yourself and ourselves all the moaning?

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

I'm a VERY experienced Flight Simmer, I LOVE my flightsims, I LOVE IL-2 Series on the PC

Well, you know the answer then don't you?

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

...but also they elt themselves down by hiring a simply AWEFUL publishing company.

This is ignorant and wrong. Developers are at the mercy of publishers. And 505 games, despite what a lot of you may think, do deserve credit, not only for taking the gamble with this niche product at a time when the whole world is desperate for revenue, but also for putting out the patch, despite the delay.

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

I wanted this to be amazing, I waited a very long time eagerly watching this game, I thought it would hark back to my air warrior days, and was going to be amazing, and I, like a great many others have been sorely disappointed.

I think this is the core of your's and all other PC converts problem... You had massive expectations for this game, and as such it didn't meet them. It's not the dev's or the publisher's fault that the product that they've released doesn't meet your expectations. But those of us that evaluate it on it's own merits, and not what it could have or should have been, are having fun with it.

Originally Posted by House MD 221B

Read all this / Don't read all this, Flame me / Don't flame me, Agree / disaggree, I don't care, WE WILL SUFFER because of people producing crap games, which SHOULD have been good.

Again, ignorant and niave about the workings of the game industry. Publishers don't give a crap what gamers want. They look at their spreadsheet of what sells and make more of it until it stops selling. Now and then the odd publisher will take a risk on something, like 505 did with BoP. But when it gets thrown back in their face it's going to make them less inclined to do so. So it's behaviour like yours that is endangering these sorts of releases.

[Riceball]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates

God, I am sick to death of hearing about the P bloody 51 and the other couple of dodgy planes. There 40 odd fkin planes in the game. Fly another one. Plus, the P51 was as broken in the demo as it is in the final game. Maybe you should have tried that and saved yourself and ourselves all the moaning?

Is that really your response to complaints about the American planes? Fly another one? Give me a break.

Anyone who knows anything about WW2 avation will know the P-51 and P-47 were among the most effective and deadly planes of the era. And don't give me the "P-51 is supposed to fight at high altitudes" crap. It could hold it's own in a phone booth.

And I'm guessing there were no issues with the P-51 in the demo because we assumed the full payload of rockets had a little something to do with it. With that said, it would not have made a difference if people were complaining then, since all we have recieved is another broken plane and a few "missions".

Anyway, I still have my copy which I recieved on Day 1, and I don't see myself getting rid of it soon. But if this (360) update takes another month and there is no news on DLC or cockpits, I will dump it on principle alone.

[Araqiel]

I must say that not having the correct cockpit for the P-51D-NT5 (which I think is the model in the game) is a bugger because there's a second slip indicator ball on the gunsight housing that really helps with keeping coordinated through a guns pass. Still not sure why the wrong 'pit was used - was any explanation ever offered as to why?

[kozzm0]

Originally Posted by Riceball

Anyone who knows anything about WW2 avation will know the P-51 and P-47 were among the most effective and deadly planes of the era. And don't give me the "P-51 is supposed to fight at high altitudes" crap. It could hold it's own in a phone booth.

With a wing-loading of about 39 lbs per square foot, higher than yak-3 and almost as high as the bf109, I wouldn't count on a p51 to win a low-turn radius fight. You need low wing loading to stay mobile at low speed. Such as the Spitfire at about 24 lbs/ft^2, and the Zero at 22. Without low wing-loading, you need high thrust-to-weight to fight the planes that do. P51D had 0.18 hp/lb, same as the Zeros and among the lowest of all the fighters. How's that for knowing something?

P51 enjoyed a serious numerical advantage from the moment it entered service, and its primary role was escort and interception at high speed, and ground support, like it was designed for. That's where it got its kills and its reputation.

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by Riceball

Is that really your response to complaints about the American planes? Fly another one? Give me a break.

Yes it is. The P51 is one plane of forty. That is 2.5%. And even though it's not the only broken plane (FW I'm looking at you) it's still the minority by a long way. Fly another one - there are plenty that aren't broken.

I'm sorry if you are a die-hard P51 fan and that is all you care about. But this is not P51: Birds of Prey. Just because a few planes are broken does not make the entire BoP package a complete failure.

But I guess to me the glass is way more than half full. If you want to focus on it being a little bit empty that is your loss, not mine.


And to dazz1971: you're putting words into my mouth. How is a handful of broken planes equivalent to chocolates with all but four rotten? Unless there are only 5 in the box. I'm not wasting my lunch arguing against something where you've either not read my post properly, or you've read it as well as you've written the response. My lunch break is too short to bother. I hope you can find a game out there that does meet your standards.

[IiI GUNNY IiI]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates

Yes it is. The P51 is one plane of forty. That is 2.5%. And even though it's not the only broken plane (FW I'm looking at you) it's still the minority by a long way. Fly another one - there are plenty that aren't broken.

I'm sorry if you are a die-hard P51 fan and that is all you care about. But this is not P51: Birds of Prey. Just because a few planes are broken does not make the entire BoP package a complete failure.

But I guess to me the glass is way more than half full. If you want to focus on it being a little bit empty that is your loss, not mine.


And to dazz1971: you're putting words into my mouth. How is a handful of broken planes equivalent to chocolates with all but four rotten? Unless there are only 5 in the box. I'm not wasting my lunch arguing against something where you've either not read my post properly, or you've read it as well as you've written the response. My lunch break is too short to bother. I hope you can find a game out there that does meet your standards.

Dude I love your left handed personal attacks. Pompous, Arrogant,And Ignorant .Well lets just say ,Yes I bet you know something about all of that stuff.And I don't know who you are ,or what that" SR Member" means beside your name "must be a way of saying just hear to defend this piece of crap that you wasted your money on to the dieing end"Do they pay you for this service or do you go down for free!!!!.OK jerk now I would tell you really what I think of you,this game,and everyone concerned,But This piece of Chit has not been in my console in a week, and MY friend list is mostly made of people that I made friends with on the first week of this game"see I cleared my friends list of most of the people on my list to make room for this game. THAT`s HOW MUCH IT MEANT TO ME TO GET A GAME LIKE THIS"so.Thats why I`m so pissed This was to be MY GAME but last night from my friends list there was TWO "FREAKING 2 "people playing They where playing each other and told me that they had seen no one else on.So any way I would stay to tell you what I think of you but .after all this I just don't care .If they patch this game to spew money out of the front of my Xbox ,I still will not be back out of protest .I will never Buy ANY game with the 505 or C1,Logo on it.LAST POST>>BUY...

[IiI GUNNY IiI]

Ok I stopped smoking last week.So, was my last post maybe a little over the top?Just asking.God I need a smoke!!!!!!!

[Ancient Seraph]

Originally Posted by IiI GUNNY IiI

Ok I stopped smoking last week.So, was my last post maybe a little over the top?Just asking.God I need a smoke!!!!!!!

The whole personal attack stuff was a bit unnecessary.. the rest made some sense.
Hope you can find some other game that can be 'your game'. Bye .

[InfiniteStates]

IiI GUNNY IiI: I believe you are the one who launches personal attacks, and still continue to do so. But feel free - it reflects more on you than me.

I won't deny there are some broken things about BoP, and that some things couldn't be better. But to say the game is completely broken, unplayable, a coaster or whatever else it has been accused of by some people who seem to pin all their hopes on the patch is just plain wrong. In my opinion, the game is good as it stands, and the patch will only make it better.

It's not the game's fault you cleared all your friends and whatever else you did. It wasn't a requirement to play the game. And even if this game had a perfect lobby system, I've no doubt that the community would have been significantly reduced by the release of MW2, which is, after all, only the biggest game ever. And I suppose that is the developer/publisher's fault too?

But thanks for your constructive contributions. See ya.


BTW, the "Senior Member" is related to post count. I don't know how obvious that is to others.

[dazz1971]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates

And to dazz1971: I hope you can find a game out there that does meet your standards.

i did i traded in il2 and ofpdragon rising the two biggest letdowns of the year and brought dragon age origins and it worked great not experianced any probs playing it so far apart from its bloody hard i hate dwarfs (fantasy type not rl ones)